Liverpool Waterloo Tunnel Update 10th Feb 2008

[petromax]

The city is trying to boost the tourist side of the city. How? They really don't know. ..

Just because you don't know, don't assume that everyone else is in the same position

Developers want money making attractions, like Kings Dock, where you can char-banc people in and out and then create a char-banc park on an infilled docks..

Yes, people want to make money, that's how you get a dynamic city. As long as they leave the money at the door by way of rates and Section 106 contributions and an increased city economy that's good for the city

Firstly an overhead railway is impractical and a nostalgic expense - a dream. Looks good on a model, but it will block views. It will also have to merge with Merseyrail and by nature will be light rail. Best spend the money on something more useful. For tourists a Birkenhead type of tram system running around the docks is enough. .

Overhead railways are practical and financially feasible solutions all around the world. They create more views for visitors than they block. A reasonably successful tourist destination city can be expected to pull in 20m tourist visitors a year - not to mention business travel. Read back, you will see that I said the link was essential; However, I did not say that it necessairly be overhead. However, overhead systems are quicker, more efficient and are a greater statement of confidence. Something the city is only just realising is what makes a difference, as in 'It'll never happen in Liverpool, they don't believe in themselves. Why should I believe enough to put my money there?"

The northern outer loop is there. It just needs to be connected at Edge Hill, the expensive bit. The southern loop is there, but only the track bed..

The outer loop does not run into Edge Hill. You are thinking of the inner loop via the Olive Mount Chord. The outer loop is outside Queen's Drive and is currently a linear park.

An inner loop is easy to implement as 80% is there. It is needed for better passenger connections and to serve inner city areas for re-generation. Implementing the INNER loop will also complete the OUTER loop...

...It appears you don't understand the seamless system. It makes it easy to expand the Metro rail system and great flexibility to plan routes for an expanding city. .

You do not seem to understand the relative cost of tunnelling and more importantly how people move and the importance of desire lines. You appear determined to force people where they don't want to go now or where they will need to go in the future. Your other posts with respect to trams echo this. The tram routes complete the picture and follow the desire lines at the most effective cost.

An expanded underground is not justified - its just a bit of 'glory'