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    The longest tunnel in the UK was supposed to be the London Underground Northern Line tunnel, which runs from the north of London, south, under the Thames and emerges in south London.

    On Liverpool's Merseyrail: Since the 1970s when new tunnels were constructed in Liverpool's centre, from Birkenhead Park station to Brunswick Station at Liverpool's South Docks is all one tunnel with only air shafts in strategic places. Does anyone know the total length of this tunnel run? It must be approaching 5 miles. It must be one of the longest, if not the longest tunnel lengths in the country.

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    Wouldn't that apply to the Circle Line on the Underground in London, WW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo42 View Post
    Wouldn't that apply to the Circle Line on the Underground in London, WW.
    I thought that. But it is open to the air at various points. Edgware Road station is totally open air and not in a deep cutting - from street level it is a few steps down to the platform. It may be pedantic points and the Circle Line can maybe regarded as the longest. I don't know the length of the Glasgow loop which is 100% underground.

    Also, the Tunnel from Central emerges for a few yards at Herculaneum, then back into a another tunnel to near St Michaels Station. This is 1082 yards, approx 3/4 mile. If the Central Line in London is regarded as all one tunnel then 1082 yards can be added to the B'head Park to St Michaels, which gives 4.72 miles - I think.

    I don't know why they never insisted this small open section of track at Herculaneum was not covered to create one tunnel as this section of line is a noise nuisance to the now many residents around the area. It can't be expensive to close the track in using concrete arches.
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    I did some looking:

    The longest underground rail tunnel in the UK is from East Finchley to Morden on the London Underground Northern line - just over 17 miles in length.

    The longest underground rail tunenl in the world is:
    Seikan Tunnel in Japan 33.5 miles long.
    The Channel tunnel is 31.3 miles long.

    Our less than 5 miles of tunnel is tiny to them. But over 4 miles of tunnel is still loooooooooong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    I did some looking:

    The longest underground rail tunnel in the UK is from East Finchley to Morden on the London Underground Northern line - just over 17 miles in length.

    The longest underground rail tunenl in the world is:
    Seikan Tunnel in Japan 33.5 miles long.
    The Channel tunnel is 31.3 miles long.

    Our less than 4 miles of tunnel is tiny to them. But over 4 miles of tunnel is still loooooooooong.
    Dont sound like much fun! 33 miles underground?......... there again,with the speed of Japanese trains,wouldn't take long!

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    I did some surfing on underground rail systems. It is amazing that no one has mentioned that Liverpool has the second oldest underground rail network in the world - 1886. They say Budapest was the second oldest in 1892. Those in Glasgow say Glasgow was the second oldest in the UK. Sure they were.

    The first three tunnels bored under a metropolis (under streets), were, the Crown St tunnel, Wapping Tunnel and the Lime Street tunnel - all in Liverpool. The oldest used rail tunnel in the world is in Liverpool and the oldest used rail station as well.

    Amazing how they forget Liverpool. No surprise.
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    Another point about Liverpool. I have looked at underground stations. As far as I can gleen James Street Station and Hamilton Square were the first deep underground rail stations in the world bored through rock - opened 1886. The London stations until 1890 appear to all have been cut & cover stations.

    BY 1915 Merseyside had the largest urban rail network in world after London. And the second largest electric one too.

    Why doesn't the city shout loud about its historical achievements?
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    Getting into this rail stuff now. The world's first "operational" electric underground railway was the City and South London Line, opened in 1890. It was originally to be cable hauled by steam engines. The cable contractor went bust, so they looked at electric traction and adopted it. They used an electric locomotive to pull the cars.

    The Liverpool Overhead Railway, opened 1893, from its initial design it was to be all electric traction. The world's first designed fully electric urban railway. The London railway ended up electric because of a liquidation, not by design. The first electric tramway was in a small part of Berlin in 1881. I am not sure if this counts as a streetcar (tram) is not an urban railway, they are electric buses on rails on streets. The Volk's Electric narrow gauge railway ran along Brighton's front in 1883. This was a tourist amusement attraction and very light in construction. The initial 1883 line was intended as a temporary summer attraction only, but stayed and is still in operation today. This was no rapid-transit urban railway.

    The Overhead's trains did not need a locomotive unit to pull the train, as in London, as each car had its own electric motor under the floor - the precursor of the modern underground train. It was also the first railway with an automatic signalling system and electric signalling lights.

    I have been looking in some wiki's and some are so inaccurate is beyond belief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    I did some surfing on underground rail systems. r
    Isn't that dangerous - what if you meet a train?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    Getting into this rail stuff now...
    Ignore the tongue-in-cheek comment - couldn't help myself - some really interesting posts on the thread.

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    Nice one WW, keep 'em comin'

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    More Liverpool's rail history.

    Merseyrail is the second oldest urban, underground, railway in the world, however sections of the network are the oldest of any urban underground/overground railway in the world. The first underground section originated in 1886 - Green Lane to James Street.

    The oldest electrified section dates from 1848, from Southport to near the old Exchange Station, now a part of the Northern Line. The oldest part of the London Underground dates from 1856, now part of the Central Line - an overground section. So older in parts than London.

    It gets better. The oldest diesel section dates from 1830, being a part of the original Liverpool-Manchester Passenger railway, the world's first passenger railway, now a part of the City Line. Some do not count the City Line as Merseyrail as it is contracted out to Northern Rail who use Merseyrail colours and ticketing,but Merseyrail it is as it is within the Merseytravel executive.

    If the 1829 Wapping Tunnel is brought back into use, it will be the oldest underground section of any urban railway in the world, beating London's Marylebone Rd underground section by 34 years. It would be the oldest used tunnel in the world, being the second oldest rail tunnel, used or not used, urban or not, right now.

    If the 1848 Waterloo Tunnel is brought back into use, it will beat London's Marylebone Rd underground section by 15 years.
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    Nice one WW.

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    The world's oldest used railway station is Broad Green, 1830 - a part of the original Liverpool & Manchester Railway. The existing Edge Hill Station dates from 1836. Many think this station is the oldest. It is not. The original Edge Hill station is in the Edge Hill Cutting at the portal of the Wapping Tunnel. The station never had platforms, so it could be said it is still there. The access stairs are still there.

    The world's first station, Crown Street, was demolished in 1836.

    Broad Green Station is also on Merseyrail, which make it the oldest station on an urban metro system in the world. Also the oldest station on an underground urban railway, although the station is not underground.
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    Merseyrail is the second oldest urban, underground, railway in the world, however sections of the network are quite historic being the oldest of any urban railway in the world.

    • The first underground section with stations originated in 1886 - Mersey Railway, the world's second underground rail network.
    • The world's first deep-level underground railway - 1886.
    • The oldest currently electrified section dates from 1848, from Kirkdale to near the old Exchange Station, now a part of the Northern Line. The oldest of any electrified metro network in the world.
    • The oldest diesel section dates from 1830, being a part of the original Liverpool-Manchester Passenger railway, now a part of the City Line. The oldest part of any urban railway in the world.
    • The world's oldest used railway station, Broad Green, dating from 1830, is on the Merseyrail network.
    • Merseyrail runs through the worlds oldest used tunnel at Edge Hill station - 1836.


    When looking at London's Underground is it beaten hands down in historical firsts.

    That is just Merseyrail vs London Underground.

    The Liverpool Overhead. The world's first:
    • Purpose "designed" electric urban railway.
    • Elevated electric railway.
    • Escalator on a railway.
    • Auto signalling system.
    • Electric light signals.
    • Multiple electric units - carriages with their own motors under the floors.
    • Light-rail carriages - built to be light in weight.


    Also:
    The world's first:
    • Two tunnels driven under a metropolis - Wapping and Crown Street Tunnels.
    • Passenger railway.
    • Passenger train station.
    • Goods station.
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