Julia Wallace Murder Case

**Ged** · 01-16-2010

Parkes says of Parry: page 237 of Roger Wilkes - The final verdict.

'He was such a liar. He could spin a yarn and get away with it. He had this habit of coming up into the kitchen over the garage, picking the phone up and calling people he didn't know, and talking to them. (And of course, Parry was in this dramatic society and it was nothing for him to alter his voice). He could alter his voice like you changing a shilling'

That and the 21st birthday event fresh in his mind but twisted a bit to fill out the phone call to entice WHW to Allerton - yes, Parry was Qualtrough alright.

**Mark R** · 01-16-2010

Hi Ian

I would have liked to hear how Parry and Wallace pronounced 'cafe'. I suppose either could have emphasised the pronunciation to 'cafay'.
On a police report (I think by Herbert Gold) he states that Beattie said the voice was gruff and that it was disguised...This is, to me, mischief making by the police to get a conviction. Beattie testified that the voice he heard was nothing like Wallace's...and that it would be a stretch of the imagination to think anything like that...

Ged, I have to laugh when I hear Parkes! "He was such a liar - he could spin a yarn! I told him once that I didn't trust him"

**IAN DAVID FRYER** · 01-16-2010

Thanks MARK. Clearly the girls at the telephone exchange thought the pronounciation odd & commented as such.Surely the consumate actor RGP was far more likely to say CAFAY for affect? Why would the staid WHW draw attention to himself by using a non local version of the word rather than what the girls regarded as the "normal" way of saying cafe? Listening again to Ted Holmes on the telephone phone in,he doesnt actually confirm that Lily Lloyd was working at the Clubmoor Cinema on the murder night..so maybe Murphy is correct. Do you know if PARRY was relying on this point for his alibi or did it not matter whether she was working or not? PARKES was clearly frightened of PARRY!! IAN (FJumble)

**serpico** · 01-17-2010

This is a great thread - haven't had a chance to read it all!!! how long has it been going

**serpico** · 01-17-2010

Have read most of the books, heard the radio doc, seen the movie - just can't get my hands on the Wyndham-Brown: anyone read that?

**serpico** · 01-17-2010

I wonder what Parry's daughters would think of all this speculation still going on about their father?

**Acrosstheuniverse** · 01-17-2010

Serpico, I have read that book. For some reason, it was at a Strand bookstore in NYC and I read parts of it there. It is definitely one of the harder books to get a hold of on the Wallace Case. You can order it for 160 pounds online! (Who are they kidding.) Not much new, the book was written in 1933 right after these events and around the time of Wallace's death from kidney failure. Just a general summation of the case, if I recall correctly the author hints towards his belief in Wallace's guilt.

Parry's youngest daughter should be around 60..apparently when tracked down in Wilke's book local people, including his daughter had not even heard of Parry's connection to the case. As nothing has been proven, if she and others related to Parry are aware of it I am sure they believe in his innocence.

I think it is clear Parry is Qualtrough, and as clear that he did not commit the murder.

**Mark R** · 01-17-2010

Originally Posted by IAN DAVID FRYER

Thanks MARK. Clearly the girls at the telephone exchange thought the pronounciation odd & commented as such.Surely the consumate actor RGP was far more likely to say CAFAY for affect? Why would the staid WHW draw attention to himself by using a non local version of the word rather than what the girls regarded as the "normal" way of saying cafe? Listening again to Ted Holmes on the telephone phone in,he doesnt actually confirm that Lily Lloyd was working at the Clubmoor Cinema on the murder night..so maybe Murphy is correct. Do you know if PARRY was relying on this point for his alibi or did it not matter whether she was working or not? PARKES was clearly frightened of PARRY!! IAN (FJumble)

I think it unbelievable that WHW would use a call box so close to his home...Judging by the statement in Murphy's book. it would appear that Lily Lloyd being with Parry was more for the later part of the evening of the 20th. I think around 9.00pm.

I have the WF Wyndham-Brown book. It is expen£ive to say the least!! It was reprinted more recently but STILL expen$ive!!

Today would have been Jonathan Goodman's 79th birthday, and yes, he was born three days before the murder in 1931!! He died on January 10th 2008. Still sadly missed.

**lindylou** · 01-17-2010

Originally Posted by serpico

This is a great thread - haven't had a chance to read it all!!! how long has it been going

The first post on this thread was Jan 20th 07, so in 3 days time the thread will be 3 years old

(actually, I thought it was longer) .. well, it could be - - the first post is quoting Ged, so there must be some of the thread missing.

.. get yer detective thinking caps on that one Ged & Mark

.. I would have thought the thread was going long before 2007
Is the begining of it missing ?

**Mark R** · 01-18-2010

Originally Posted by lindylou

The first post on this thread was Jan 20th 07, so in 3 days time the thread will be 3 years old

(actually, I thought it was longer) .. well, it could be - - the first post is quoting Ged, so there must be some of the thread missing.

.. get yer detective thinking caps on that one Ged & Mark

.. I would have thought the thread was going long before 2007
Is the begining of it missing ?

I'm not sure lindylou - my first post on the thread was in 2007 if I remember correctly. Like you say though, that first post is quoting Ged so it looks like there was maybe more earlier posts or another earlier thread??

**Ged** · 01-19-2010

On this day in 1931 at approx 7.15 tonight. The Qualtrough call was made from Rochester Road, Cabbage Hall triangle to Cottle's city cafe - or is that 'cafay' ?

**IAN DAVID FRYER** · 01-19-2010

Hi GED with the actual telephone box long gone(it should have gone to Liverpool Museum!)cant actually revisit the site tonight..but I might detour to Wolverton Street tomorrow before the Reds match....was WALLACE a Red,I doubt it ..but I bet QUALTROUGH was a Blue!!IAN (FJumble)

**Ged** · 01-19-2010

**Ged** · 01-20-2010

Today is the 79th anniversary of the murder of Julia Wallace. On this day in 1931 William Herbert Wallace was doing his rounds in Clubmoor, those whom he met and called on gave statements as to his demeanor, some good, some bad.

What is known for sure is Julia was last seen alive by milk boy Alan Close just after 6.30. Wallace himself states he left the house at 6.45. When he returned around two hours later after a failed trip to Allerton to find R.M. Qualtrough, his 4th attempt to gain access to his house resulted in him finding Julia on the floor of the lounge, dead.

Next door neighbours, the Johnston's were with him by now. 'look what they have done to her', 'They've finished her off' were some of Wallace's mutterings. But did he know he and they would find her like that because she was like that before he left for Allerton. I doubt it as he never had the time to leave his house and make it to his first tram, he also was not covered in blood as the medical experts stated he would have been.

Did he know she would be there like that though because he's set it all up? I can't reason with that. His behaviour after the appeal did not see him in a romantic relationship with anybody else and his dairy entries talk of his missing Julia and how Julia would have loved his new home on the Wirral.

The police investigation went on into the small hours and beyond with floodlights provided by the fire service. Crowds will throng the area tonight as Liverpool play Spurs with all but a handful probably unaware of the events that unfolded in Wolverton Street 79 years ago tonight.