This looks like the boundary between Everton and West Derby. There are several other similarly named streets in the Liverpool area.Quote:
Originally Posted by phredd
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This looks like the boundary between Everton and West Derby. There are several other similarly named streets in the Liverpool area.Quote:
Originally Posted by phredd
Came across this one on sunday >>>>>>
Has it been found and put on another thread ?
Phredd
Not seen this one before Phredd. Where exactly is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by phredd
By the BLUE STAR Line funnel, on the Prom just along from the pub on Riverside Drive. Its set in the wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by taffy
Phredd
Thanks Phredd. I'm surprised Dingle hasn't been amended to Aigburth !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by phredd
Taffy
I think the reason the name has not been changed is because it is the given name to that part of the esplanade :- "The Dingle Esplanade" and not to the district.
Just my thoughts :lol:
Phredd
It was just a joke Phredd. I had visions of the illegal graffiti type of alteration rather than any official change. I do know the locals kicked up a fuss when the Dingle district sign was put up on nearby Riverside Drive last year. It's now been resited much closer to the City centre. Not sure who this satisfies as it still implies that Sefton Street and Riverside Drive are in the Dingle !!Quote:
Originally Posted by phredd
It was the Dingle end of the completion of Otterspool Promenade to tie in with the International Garden Festival of 1984.
At least common sense prevailed in the naming of it.
As I keep saying, if all the 'nice' (ie new estates) parts of the Dingle would proudly call themselves Dingle, then the rest of Liverpool would see that the name 'Dingle' refers to an area rich in variety.
But it's not going to happen when parts of the Dingle have even managed to get an L3 postcode, or people even say they live in Otterspool (let alone Aigburth)! As one ex-member of this forum who lived in Riverside kept insisting, and who put her location as Otterspool!
Here's a plaque on the Boundary Bridge that goes over the Leeds & Liverpool canal on Boundary St near the junction with Vauxhall Road.
Salisbury Stone, Lake Road Playground
Here's the Stone mentioned on page 1 of this thread. There are also a couple of small stones on the corner of the playground near to the Monks' Well. I don't know if they are of any significance, but they seem to be placed there deliberately.
Is this the playground by picton clock? If so, it's on the site of what was once a lake/pond,which was drained in the earlier part of the last century.The markers were placed there to delineate ownership of the land, which was disputed between the city council, and lord???( i cant remember who, i'm afraid):disgust:Quote:
Originally Posted by marky
Details of Wavertree Lake...I wonder what ever happened to the 'mere stones' associated with this lake.
http://www.dhwav.btinternet.co.uk/page49.html
Dont you think that's one in your pic'?:)Quote:
Originally Posted by marky
Yeah, I just wondered if anyone knew how many existed originally, or their whereabouts. It's a large stone in the playground...I wouldn't be able to shift it.
The write-up indicates that there was only one such stone remaining and that it is (or was) inscribed with a crown and an "S" for the Marquess of Salisbury. Is the stone you photograph marked that way?Quote:
Originally Posted by marky
Thanks
Chris
Yeah, that's the stone referred to in the write-up.
Thanks for confirming that it is the same stone. A nice little piece of local history.Quote:
Originally Posted by marky
Chris
Does anybody have any information on this Marquis of Salisbury, and where he owned land?
Or even where he lived?
When the Plaza cinema (Allerton Road) was in the planning stage (1920s) it was said that he owned a lot of land "in that neighbourhood", but I've not heard much more about him.
I know he owned the freehold on the Salisbury Rd. area, the property was 99 year leasehold and the freehold come up for sale after some Govt. legislation in the 60's. I know this because my parents owned #120.
He also owned all the farmland in the Gateacre and Childwall areas. I lived at Coxhead farm Gateacre as a kid and it was compulsary purchased from him after WW2 for housing.
There are probably a lot more but these are the only 2 I know of for sure.
Hi PhilipQuote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
I believe the Marquess of Salisbury in question at the time of the Wavertree boundary dispute was the same gentleman who was Prime Minister of Great Britain, Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, Marquess of Salisbury, Tory prime minister in 1885-6, 1886-92, and 1895-1902. See http://www.numberten.gov.uk/output/Page144.asp. His estate was Hatfield House, Hertfordshire, where he died in 1903. There's information on the later marquesses on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquess_of_Salisbury
Chris
Thanks Shy and Chris.
I did a Google this morning and there's a lot out there on him (ie the family).
So far I've found out (apart from what Chris says) that the family had Childwall Hall and are related to the Gascoignes (Bamber Gasgoyne of University Challenge is a descendant).
I knew about the Earl of Sefton and the Earl of Derby owning vast areas of Liverpool, and I've only started skimming the surface, but Salisbury had a lot of Liverpool too, including the land where St Jude's (Low Hill) was built, and the land on which West Derby Court House stands (which is just outside the Croxteth Hall estate), and all of Childwall and Woolton.
Was this the illustrious ancestor:rolleyes: of Bamber Gascoine, as i know he has some kind of Liverpool connection?
Taken from the website www.childwall.moonfruit.com
The earliest reference to Childwall Hall is from the 1700’s.
In 1728, Isaac Greene married Mary Aspinall, heiress of the Ireland family of hale.
This building (much like the Church Tower) was demolished in 1780 and a new Hall was built by Greene.
After his death in 1749, his youngest daughter, Mary, inherited Childwall Hall in addition to land in West Derby, Wavertree, Everton and Much and Little Woolton. In 1756 she married Bamber Gascoyne.
Their son, also called Bamber Gascoyne, settled at Childwall in the 1790’s serving as Member of Parliament for Liverpool from 1780 to 1796.
Interested in literature and friend of a number of famous contemporary authors, he had an extensive library and also collected old master paintings. He also held local shooting parties amongst the local hills.
In the early 19th century he commissioned John Nash, the architect, to work on the hall, transforming the house in to a yellow sandstone, sham mediaeval castle. Other improvements included the Octagon Room, a billiard board, an oak Gothic sarcophagus and ‘Grecian’ lamps.
Bamber Gascoyne II’s only child, Frances Mary, married Viscount Cranborne, 2nd Marquess of Salisbury in 1821, this uniting the extensive estates of both families.
Frances Mary did not live at Childwall Hall after her marriage and the house was let to many tenants.
In 1947, the 5th Marquess of Salisbury presented Childwall hall to Liverpool Corporation, who intended to establish a county college. However the house was found to be riddled with dry rot, requiring expenditure of “25,000 on remedial work alone.
In view of this and the general unsuitability of the building for use as a college, the house was sadly demolished.
The new community college built on the site opened in 1955, but has itself now closed and the premises are now occupied by Mersey Television Group. (Mersey TV).
I have heard the name Gascoyne in relation to Hale...but the connection escapes me at the minute.
Heres a plate/marker of the old West Derby boundary.It's at the junction of Rocky lane/Belmont rd. It looks like someone has had a go at removing it at sometime, or maybe to try pointing the brickwork:unibrow:
Very nice work, wsteve55! It is hard to read, as you already know, but it's nonetheless a nice piece of local history that is still there, which is significant and very important for people to know about. Thanks for bringing it to our attention, wsteve55. :hug:Quote:
Originally Posted by wsteve55
Chris
Anyone noticed this before or know what it was for. It's quite close to the Toxteth Boundary through Otterspool Park.
Otterspool: The boundary is very near, so who knows. It really needs to be matched up on a map though.
Here's something that caught my eye...imagine seeing this stone standing out from the leaf litter. I kicked the leaves away and there was a dead squirrel (I thought it was a rat at first).
At first glance I thought this bisected stone went deeper, but I think this is the full height. This is in Ibbotsons Lane, another area near the bounday of Toxteth Park. It just shows what red-herrings are out there, when looking for boundary markers.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...Lane_stone.jpg
Is that a grey squirrel too?
I saw this one on East Prescot Road (I think!!).
Was on the way to ST Helens.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/...08-07_1152.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/...08-07_1153.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/...08-07_1151.jpg
Good work, Taffy, Marky, and DaisyChains. :handclap:
Chris
Located in a private garden off Speke Rd opposite Banks Rd.
I had a feeling there'd be one around Garston/Speke. I stopped looking when I found an upturned kerb-stone, facing the old fire-station.
I'll have to check the 3 metal plates in Ullet Road, as I must have missed one in the fog the other day. There should be 2 on the Princes' Park side of the road that state 'Liverpool' and one on the other side that states 'Toxteth Park'.
Fine photograph, Taffy, well done! :PDT11
I remember seeing one when I was a kid in Rainhill or prescot on a day out, a few hundred years old just lying there un-vandalised, maybe that where we go wrong these days with plastic and aluminium, stone is too hard, people move on and leave it alone, good pics though from a time when a small stone on the side of the road stood out like dogs ballz and showed you the way, nowadays you probably need to look very hard to notice them
Thnaks Marky, didn't know about the Toxteth Park one on Ullet Rd. How interesting. The Garston boundary stone is relatively late, ca mid 1890s. I did wonder whether what you called an up turned kerb stone was an older boundary marker. I'll have to check some old OS mapsQuote:
Originally Posted by marky
Sadly just noticed the "Borough of Liverpool" metal boundary marker opposite Parkfield Rd has been stolen. Presumably this gross act of vandalism was simply to steal the marker for its cash value as scrap metal. Photos below taken in 2007Quote:
Originally Posted by marky
Ugh! Sad indeed! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by taffy
Here's the two remaining Ullet Road plaques. These are at the top and the bottom of the hill (as mentioned above, the one inbetween has now gone). I thought the missing one was the same as these, but had been half-buried beneath the pavement. Now we'll never know.
As mentioned on another thread, these are likely to relate to the drains (there is a map of the drain system around somewhere)
These come from a time when Liverpool was not yet a city and the Southern parts of Toxteth Park (Aigburth, Sefton Park, St. Michaels etc)had not yet been absorbed into Liverpool.
Borough of Liverpool (North side of Ullet Road)
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e..._Liverpool.jpg
Township of Toxteth Park (South side of Ullet Road)
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...xteth_Park.jpg
Absolutely brilliant Marky!Quote:
Originally Posted by marky
I have walked up and down Ullet Road my whole life and never noticed these!
Where exactly are they?:)