Is this the playground by picton clock? If so, it's on the site of what was once a lake/pond,which was drained in the earlier part of the last century.The markers were placed there to delineate ownership of the land, which was disputed between the city council, and lord???( i cant remember who, i'm afraid)Originally Posted by marky
Details of Wavertree Lake...I wonder what ever happened to the 'mere stones' associated with this lake.
http://www.dhwav.btinternet.co.uk/page49.html
Dont you think that's one in your pic'?
Yeah, I just wondered if anyone knew how many existed originally, or their whereabouts. It's a large stone in the playground...I wouldn't be able to shift it.
The write-up indicates that there was only one such stone remaining and that it is (or was) inscribed with a crown and an "S" for the Marquess of Salisbury. Is the stone you photograph marked that way?
Thanks
Chris
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Yeah, that's the stone referred to in the write-up.
Thanks for confirming that it is the same stone. A nice little piece of local history.
Chris
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Does anybody have any information on this Marquis of Salisbury, and where he owned land?
Or even where he lived?
When the Plaza cinema (Allerton Road) was in the planning stage (1920s) it was said that he owned a lot of land "in that neighbourhood", but I've not heard much more about him.
I know he owned the freehold on the Salisbury Rd. area, the property was 99 year leasehold and the freehold come up for sale after some Govt. legislation in the 60's. I know this because my parents owned #120.
He also owned all the farmland in the Gateacre and Childwall areas. I lived at Coxhead farm Gateacre as a kid and it was compulsary purchased from him after WW2 for housing.
There are probably a lot more but these are the only 2 I know of for sure.
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Hi Philip
I believe the Marquess of Salisbury in question at the time of the Wavertree boundary dispute was the same gentleman who was Prime Minister of Great Britain, Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, Marquess of Salisbury, Tory prime minister in 1885-6, 1886-92, and 1895-1902. See http://www.numberten.gov.uk/output/Page144.asp. His estate was Hatfield House, Hertfordshire, where he died in 1903. There's information on the later marquesses on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquess_of_Salisbury
Chris
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Thanks Shy and Chris.
I did a Google this morning and there's a lot out there on him (ie the family).
So far I've found out (apart from what Chris says) that the family had Childwall Hall and are related to the Gascoignes (Bamber Gasgoyne of University Challenge is a descendant).
I knew about the Earl of Sefton and the Earl of Derby owning vast areas of Liverpool, and I've only started skimming the surface, but Salisbury had a lot of Liverpool too, including the land where St Jude's (Low Hill) was built, and the land on which West Derby Court House stands (which is just outside the Croxteth Hall estate), and all of Childwall and Woolton.
Was this the illustrious ancestorof Bamber Gascoine, as i know he has some kind of Liverpool connection?
Taken from the website www.childwall.moonfruit.com
The earliest reference to Childwall Hall is from the 1700’s.
In 1728, Isaac Greene married Mary Aspinall, heiress of the Ireland family of hale.
This building (much like the Church Tower) was demolished in 1780 and a new Hall was built by Greene.
After his death in 1749, his youngest daughter, Mary, inherited Childwall Hall in addition to land in West Derby, Wavertree, Everton and Much and Little Woolton. In 1756 she married Bamber Gascoyne.
Their son, also called Bamber Gascoyne, settled at Childwall in the 1790’s serving as Member of Parliament for Liverpool from 1780 to 1796.
Interested in literature and friend of a number of famous contemporary authors, he had an extensive library and also collected old master paintings. He also held local shooting parties amongst the local hills.
In the early 19th century he commissioned John Nash, the architect, to work on the hall, transforming the house in to a yellow sandstone, sham mediaeval castle. Other improvements included the Octagon Room, a billiard board, an oak Gothic sarcophagus and ‘Grecian’ lamps.
Bamber Gascoyne II’s only child, Frances Mary, married Viscount Cranborne, 2nd Marquess of Salisbury in 1821, this uniting the extensive estates of both families.
Frances Mary did not live at Childwall Hall after her marriage and the house was let to many tenants.
In 1947, the 5th Marquess of Salisbury presented Childwall hall to Liverpool Corporation, who intended to establish a county college. However the house was found to be riddled with dry rot, requiring expenditure of “25,000 on remedial work alone.
In view of this and the general unsuitability of the building for use as a college, the house was sadly demolished.
The new community college built on the site opened in 1955, but has itself now closed and the premises are now occupied by Mersey Television Group. (Mersey TV).
Last edited by Cadfael; 07-27-2007 at 05:06 PM.
I have heard the name Gascoyne in relation to Hale...but the connection escapes me at the minute.
Heres a plate/marker of the old West Derby boundary.It's at the junction of Rocky lane/Belmont rd. It looks like someone has had a go at removing it at sometime, or maybe to try pointing the brickwork
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