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I don't think the scotty rd ground option was ever a good idea. The main route into liverpool would be blocked with traffic, at least once a season ;)
Maybe whatever stadiums are built for the reds and blues they should include a direct tram link to the city centre, that would then allow easy access to the grounds from all areas.
Where they build a stadium is one thing, where the railway are is another. Where there are railways, either used or unused, is something I aint got a clue in. Just seems to make sense to have rail access. I think it's still the most efficient way to move vast bodies of people. We need to coax people out of their cars, surely.
if u look at the amount of fans on match days who walk from the city centre to the ground then although it would be nice to have a station nearby the ground it's far from essential and the ones that drive there would probably drive even if the station was in the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by pablo42
I don't see why ppl should be coaxed out of their cars, they paid alot of money to be able to travel wherever at their own leisure so good luck to them
Yes, that's true. Lotsa people who come to the match these days are from out of town. People are already coaxed out of their cars with parking restrictions etc. It just seems that we should make it easy for people to use public transport.Quote:
Originally Posted by scouse smurf
Too far must be at the stadium. Vauxhall? Ged will have kittens. Some slum old businesses will need to be demolished.Quote:
Originally Posted by petromax
Arkles Lane? Too far. Walton for GP? Forget GP they are moving.Quote:
or at Arkles Lane if it were in Stanley Park or at Anfield or at Walton for Goodison. Kirkby for Everton is a way of funding a new stadium but it can be done cheaper elsewhere.
Why do you need a list to have common sense. ? The station is best next to the stadium or under it.Quote:
Very, very few stadia actually have rail incorporated in the stadium. The expense is not considered generally necessary. Maybe there's a list?
It makes great sense to have an accessible rail link for fans who live here and for those who live further away. People can be encouraged to choose not to drive with reasonable cost rail fares and easy accessibility, but it should still be their choice.
Also the 'long march' from Lime Street has not been that safe for some visiting fans. These are various distances from a quick scout around on the internet:
Arsenal; Three or Ten minute walk to tube dependent on line
Old Trafford; incorporated station
Chelsea; Fulham Broadway, two minutes walk
Aston Villa; Whitton Station, five minutes walk
Man City; 15mins walk
Barcelona; 10 to 15mins walk from Metro or Tram
San Siro; about 15mins from Metro
Bayern Munich; incorporated station (but World Cup Stadium budget!!)
Ajax; two or 15 mins walk
Stations at either Vauxhall or Arkles Lane would fit into this range but you have to take the point on road traffic around Scottie Road.
Gotta agree WW, just makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
You to shift fans fast. Only rapid-transit high throughput station can shift 30,000-40,000 an hour. Trams will shift jack ****, and cause traffic jams.Quote:
Originally Posted by scouse smurf
The city has rapid transit rail so let's use it.
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Originally Posted by pablo42
yeah, but that will never happen. cost cutting will see to that. can u imagine ever having constant trains every 5-10 minutes were u can actually sit down in peak hours?
What happened to the really useful smart buses ? it was nice to know what time a bus would arrive or if it had already been. I thought every bus would be like that by now, but no they're getting worse and they're often driven by ppl who don't give a toss about the timetable except the bus stop preceding the ones often used for time checkpoints
True, seems to be a bit of motivation needed with the staff. Also a bit of support from the management. Nobody's perfectQuote:
Originally Posted by scouse smurf
We shouldn't be following these people. We should lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by petromax
Stanley Dock actually, on the viaduct on the Northern Line and no need for demolition - do try and keep upQuote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
Not too far at all, within easy walking distance. As for GP moving, you clearly know the result of the Inquiry before anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
Research is useful if you want to learn from other's experience and not repeat their mistakes. If there were such as thing as common sense you would see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
If there is not a rapid-transit rail station to shift 30-40,000 per hour 60-73,000 will just grid-lock. The rail link will also entice fans to attend. In January, taking a Merseyrail station to the station under the stadium and entering directly into a stadium with the roof closed. I would go.Quote:
Originally Posted by scouse smurf
Oh no! I can't believe he wrote that.Quote:
I don't see why ppl should be coaxed out of their cars, they paid alot of money to be able to travel wherever at their own leisure so good luck to them
I knew u'd rise to the tram comment ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
Out of interest how close are the big US stadia to public transport. I would think that's the model to follow
The do at Wembley and the Emirates, etc. Why would people in Liverrpool ignore a quick in and out rail system?Quote:
Originally Posted by scouse smurf
Since American Football lasts so long the arrivals are probably staggered more. Also the car would absolutely predominate. Massive parking lotsQuote:
Originally Posted by scouse smurf
What was up with me saying that ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
I don't think Everton or Liverpool really need fans that are only willing to go if they don't have to make any effort to get there. Both clubs have strong fan bases already, so making it easy to get to will only attract the prawn sandwich brigade... I assume u like prawns ;)
Most of the US stadiums rely on the car. They generally have motorway access. They have the space and they were from an earlier time, not too worried about carbon footprint etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by scouse smurf
At the risk of repeating absolutely everything, just exactly where is this up and running low cost, affordable and buildable within our life time, in and out rail system?Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
The model to follow is common sense. Wembley and the O2 Arena is the model. They shift the fans like zippo.Quote:
Originally Posted by scouse smurf
I can't believe anyone would ever argue about not incorporating rapid-transit rail as part of a design.
He wants to encourage cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by scouse smurf
The Emitrates is 60,000 full every game as it is easy to get to and the facilities superb.Quote:
I don't think Everton or Liverpool really need fans that are only willing to go if they don't have to make any effort to get there. Both clubs have strong fan bases already, so making it easy to get to will only attract the prawn sandwich brigade... I assume u like prawns ;)
So what u're suggesting is we build a big white elephant for some millenium event, using lots of public money, and then wait for someone to think of an idea to use it or build a stadium which results in the team not being able to sign many world class players and falling away in the leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
Yeah, but where is it and if not anywhere who can afford it?
Don't woory it won't happen. Nobody's got the moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by scouse smurf
and funded by a massive property developmentQuote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
It is called MerseyrailQuote:
Originally Posted by petromax
I'm not worried about it, I just think WW should realise that these places are in the country's capital and unfortunately that comes with lots of benefits that no other city getsQuote:
Originally Posted by petromax
How often do u use merseyrail ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
I think we need a stadium that will be a tourist attraction on its own. They should share, pool resources. That stadium, shared or not should have good rail access.
I was? 2000 was nine years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by scouse smurf
has it started making money yet ? if so, how much of the building costs were written off ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
The voice of common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by pablo42
WAKE UP!!!! It doesn't run to anywhere that serves a stadium!!! It NEEDS TO BE BUILT!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
What are you babbling about? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by scouse smurf
There are mothballed lines that can be run in, and also serve the local community.Quote:
Originally Posted by petromax
What I'm babbling on about is the glowing example u've given cost a lot of money, which I don't think has been gained back yet (I could be wrong)Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
I agree about the joint stadium idea though but think it should be in stanley park
A shared stadium with shared infrastructure would make very good sense IF
1: the infrastructure costs were at their absolute minimum
2: anyone, absolutely anyone could fund a completely new stadium
oh and 3: if any actually WANTED to share
Since when has only the capital had the benefit of common sense, and no one else?Quote:
Originally Posted by scouse smurf
I reckon they'd love to share, it's just the majority of fans are so against the ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by petromax