Stadia

[Waterways]

An insult is an insult. I think calling someone clueless is pretty insulting

Is isn't. I can insult you properly if you want.

Without bothering to track back and in this post alone, you think yourself a better judge of architecture and its historical importance than anyone here;

The Georgians are listed the gardens are not, well not that I know of.

you believe yourself better qualified to assess the suitability of a site for a stadium than an organisation with immeasurable specialised experience

I know when they don't have rapid-transit rail stations attached. The organisations are amateurs for not incorporating it. They area a waste of time.

That my friend, is just the way you are. If you like, you can take that as an insult.

Thank you. I am flattered.

[pablo42]

Gotta agree that to build a stadium without rail access is gonna end up a fiasco.

[petromax]

Is isn't. I can insult you properly if you want.

Feel free. You know you want to

[petromax]

Gotta agree that to build a stadium without rail access is gonna end up a fiasco.

I really don't disagree; but there is a whole lot cheaper option by building a station on existing lines either at Vauxhall if a stadium were in the Scotland Road Tunnel Loop or at Arkles Lane if it were in Stanley Park or at Anfield or at Walton for Goodison. Kirkby for Everton is a way of funding a new stadium but it can be done cheaper elsewhere.

Very, very few stadia actually have rail incorporated in the stadium. The expense is not considered generally necessary. Maybe there's a list?

[pablo42]

Maybe, just maybe, they should.

[scouse smurf]

I don't think the scotty rd ground option was ever a good idea. The main route into liverpool would be blocked with traffic, at least once a season

Maybe whatever stadiums are built for the reds and blues they should include a direct tram link to the city centre, that would then allow easy access to the grounds from all areas.

[pablo42]

Where they build a stadium is one thing, where the railway are is another. Where there are railways, either used or unused, is something I aint got a clue in. Just seems to make sense to have rail access. I think it's still the most efficient way to move vast bodies of people. We need to coax people out of their cars, surely.

[scouse smurf]

Where they build a stadium is one thing, where the railway are is another. Where there are railways, either used or unused, is something I aint got a clue in. Just seems to make sense to have rail access. I think it's still the most efficient way to move vast bodies of people. We need to coax people out of their cars, surely.

if u look at the amount of fans on match days who walk from the city centre to the ground then although it would be nice to have a station nearby the ground it's far from essential and the ones that drive there would probably drive even if the station was in the ground.

I don't see why ppl should be coaxed out of their cars, they paid alot of money to be able to travel wherever at their own leisure so good luck to them

[pablo42]

if u look at the amount of fans on match days who walk from the city centre to the ground then although it would be nice to have a station nearby the ground it's far from essential and the ones that drive there would probably drive even if the station was in the ground.

I don't see why ppl should be coaxed out of their cars, they paid alot of money to be able to travel wherever at their own leisure so good luck to them

Yes, that's true. Lotsa people who come to the match these days are from out of town. People are already coaxed out of their cars with parking restrictions etc. It just seems that we should make it easy for people to use public transport.

[Waterways]

I really don't disagree; but there is a whole lot cheaper option by building a station on existing lines either at Vauxhall if a stadium were in the Scotland Road Tunnel Loop

Too far must be at the stadium. Vauxhall? Ged will have kittens. Some slum old businesses will need to be demolished.

or at Arkles Lane if it were in Stanley Park or at Anfield or at Walton for Goodison. Kirkby for Everton is a way of funding a new stadium but it can be done cheaper elsewhere.

Arkles Lane? Too far. Walton for GP? Forget GP they are moving.

Very, very few stadia actually have rail incorporated in the stadium. The expense is not considered generally necessary. Maybe there's a list?

Why do you need a list to have common sense. ? The station is best next to the stadium or under it.

[petromax]

It makes great sense to have an accessible rail link for fans who live here and for those who live further away. People can be encouraged to choose not to drive with reasonable cost rail fares and easy accessibility, but it should still be their choice.

Also the 'long march' from Lime Street has not been that safe for some visiting fans. These are various distances from a quick scout around on the internet:

Arsenal; Three or Ten minute walk to tube dependent on line
Old Trafford; incorporated station
Chelsea; Fulham Broadway, two minutes walk
Aston Villa; Whitton Station, five minutes walk
Man City; 15mins walk
Barcelona; 10 to 15mins walk from Metro or Tram
San Siro; about 15mins from Metro
Bayern Munich; incorporated station (but World Cup Stadium budget!!)
Ajax; two or 15 mins walk

Stations at either Vauxhall or Arkles Lane would fit into this range but you have to take the point on road traffic around Scottie Road.

[pablo42]

Too far must be at the stadium. Vauxhall? Ged will have kittens. Some slum old businesses will need to be demolished.



Arkles Lane? Too far. Walton for GP? Forget GP they are moving.



Why do you need a lost to have common sense. ? The station is best next to the stadium or under it.

Gotta agree WW, just makes sense.

[Waterways]

I don't think the scotty rd ground option was ever a good idea. The main route into liverpool would be blocked with traffic, at least once a season

Maybe whatever stadiums are built for the reds and blues they should include a direct tram link to the city centre, that would then allow easy access to the grounds from all areas.

You to shift fans fast. Only rapid-transit high throughput station can shift 30,000-40,000 an hour. Trams will shift jack ****, and cause traffic jams.

The city has rapid transit rail so let's use it.

[scouse smurf]

Yes, that's true. Lotsa people who come to the match these days are from out of town. People are already coaxed out of their cars with parking restrictions etc. It just seems that we should make it easy for people to use public transport.

yeah, but that will never happen. cost cutting will see to that. can u imagine ever having constant trains every 5-10 minutes were u can actually sit down in peak hours?

What happened to the really useful smart buses ? it was nice to know what time a bus would arrive or if it had already been. I thought every bus would be like that by now, but no they're getting worse and they're often driven by ppl who don't give a toss about the timetable except the bus stop preceding the ones often used for time checkpoints

[pablo42]

yeah, but that will never happen. cost cutting will see to that. can u imagine ever having constant trains every 5-10 minutes were u can actually sit down in peak hours?

What happened to the really useful smart buses ? it was nice to know what time a bus would arrive or if it had already been. I thought every bus would be like that by now, but no they're getting worse and they're often driven by ppl who don't give a toss about the timetable except the bus stop preceding the ones often used for time checkpoints

True, seems to be a bit of motivation needed with the staff. Also a bit of support from the management. Nobody's perfect