Someone on here raises an interesting point and I'd like to expand on it with a question -
Can anyone provide an example of Mr. Slemen discovering any unique, verifiable and substantial information about any of the criminal cases which he has "investigated" which cannot be otherwise ascertained via any pre-existing published material ?
AP
Welcome AntiPathos.Originally Posted by AntiPathos
A very good question.
welcome AntiPathos
That is a very reasonable question to ask, im sure if you visited Toms forum and asked him in his " Ask Tom " section he might be able to answer it for you? I cant answer that one but he reckons that he has a new ripper suspect that has not been mentioned in the suspect mix before - guess we will have to wait till his book is published i guess
PhilipG/Emmanuel Goldstein,
Thanks for the welcome fellas.
As far as asking him on his forum what he has demonstrably achieved in respect of moving on any unsolved/contentious criminal cases, this might be pointless. I have heard that anything remotely challenging to answer is promptly deleted. I've seen his site and one could be forgiven for imagining that the TS Forum is strictly for his peculiar band of personal nuthuggers and oddball sycophants but 'difficult' posts have been made on that board and swiftly plucked off the Truth Tree and left to rot in Slemen's deletion bin. It's not in his interests to have his regular board viewers exposed to any trace of critical thinking after all...
And as for his Ripper bandwagonning, Mr George would be an apt person to comment on that. Although the inactivity regarding his 'theory' on the Casebook website says alot.
If you hadn't guessed, I posed my original question after having recently read Slemen's treatment of the Cameo Cinema Murders. AFAICR, not a thing of interest which he wrote could not have been gleaned from Mr. George Skelly's book. And anything else which he has imagined to have happened was without a mite of evidence.
His Ripper book, if it ever sees the light of day, will be the first time he has ever typed a substantial work of any kind. Perhaps that's why it's so far taken him twelve years to not produce. After all his specialism lies in the rather less illustrious direction of constructing short pieces of laughable nonsense for the intellectually infirm.
AP
AP
Do a Search in this group for Slemen and you'll find some interesting posts.
He obviously has his admirers and non-admirers.
Regarding myself as a local historian I'm always willing to give my sources (which TS never gives), and always try to deal in facts.
But I don't write about ghosts and ghoulies simply because I'm a non-believer.
The other day someone rang in to Billy Butler's radio prog and asked him about an upcoming film based on the Cameo murders. The caller said something like "it's a certificate 18, with US and British actors and will be out in the Autumn". After I heard it my Insightful Question of the Day was that I wasn't sure sure if this caller was asking Billy or telling him (think about it). Something didn't seem right anyway and so I did some digging: there's no Cameo film registered with the BBFC and nothing showing up on IMDB. So, does anyone know anything about it ? Or is a better searcher than I am !
AP.
There is a film of the cameo case in production.... I believe...
Hi all
I understand that from a recent email from George Skelly, author of The Cameo Conspiracy, that a movie of his book is still in the works.
Chris
Christopher T. George
Editor, Ripperologist
Editor, Loch Raven Review
http://christophertgeorge.blogspot.com/
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Dinnae just say that without the palava mate ?
Yeh yer rite mate. Just thought I'd add a bit o' palaver tho.
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Christopher T. George
Editor, Ripperologist
Editor, Loch Raven Review
http://christophertgeorge.blogspot.com/
Chris on Flickr and on MySpace
Seeing as they were both mates of me dars... I don't see the point... honestly...
Ermmmmm, no. Having read some of what Mr Slemen has written, a lot of
it seems to be hearsay, stuff allready published and pure myth.
Surely fact info on the Cameo murders can be found in the LRO or court
records.
Thanks. That wasn't a rhetorical question which I posed, BTW. I'd genuinely like to know.
AP.
Hi Chris, I am aware of the 2003 Judgement particularly page 3 Para 4 " All that evidence was false and probably deliberate so" or page 8 para 27 " Nevertheless when the evidence of Graham at both trials and of CI Balmer at the first trial to the effect that the two had not met in the context of the case prior to 19th September is taken into account, and in the absence of any explanation for such testomony, the conclusuion is that such evidence amounted to deliberate concealment becomes at the least highly likely" or page 25 para 97 "Indeed the lies of Graham and CI Balmer in relation to when they first saw one another in relation to the Cameo murders are are a strong indication of the need for concealment"
I believe there is still unfinished business here. I know both verdicts have been quashed and Kelly got a christian burial but what about Balmer, he seems to have got off scot free. No doubt George Skelly's book will be very revealing about the seemingly injustice of Burns and Devlin at the hands of a bent detective. Will Balmer escape again? Here is a Police Officer who went right to the top and was highly decorated to the point of receiving the QPM and OBE . Should those awards be withdrawn? I think that they should and will be if I have anything to do with it!
that's a really interesting point.
If Kelly is now cleared of the crime, surely Balmer's honours should be taken away.
If Kelly didn't commit the crime, then he was obviously a scapegoat
How very sad this case is
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