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    Hi Guys,
    I know this is a repeated thread but i would love to get to the bottom of all the rumours (so to speak).
    Whilst i have been researching for my site i have been speaking to a paranormal investigation group who have had contact with a few business owners, i happened to mention the report of the door in the cellars of the old madam foners shop, but the owner showed them other parts of the building, (the upstairs used to be a bar called sherridans if i remember correctly) which never confirmed it for me , what i want to know is Does anyone have any First hand accounts of anything under bold street or lime street.
    and Can anyone pinpoint where the reported hideout at the top is/was.
    Thanks for Reading and hopefully we can conclusively close this chapter
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    What's the address of this shop moe?
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    Madam Foner's specialised in making corsets made to measure and was situated on the right hand side of Bold Street looking up to the bombed church.

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    Think it was 83a bold street

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    Madam Foner's is/was 84 Bold Street (see the projecting sign); 84a is the shop next door.


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    I know there is a ladies clothes shop(?) with an old well,just inside the front entrance,further up on the same side! What it's significance is,I don't know?

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    The well is fascinating, there is a video of it on the bold street project site I think, it was rebuilt

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    Perhaps a verbal description of the well Moe.

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    I found this from 2002...

    The well, situated in Jeffs on Bold Street was uncovered during renovations.

    Today it stands as a wishing well, with the money that is thrown into it going to Alder Hey Rocking Horse charity

    "I had about eight men working with me in the basement in the dark and there was this little hole that kept appearing on the floor over a period of three or four days.

    I was convinced it was a little rat hole, but it wouldn’t fill in.

    I made it bigger and shone the torch down and all I could see for 35, 40 feet was water. The following morning inspectors for the Building Regulations came from the Liverpool Corporation. They said they didn’t like the look of it and it would be best filled in.

    I made a phone call to the History Museum of Liverpool and they said;

    " That is one of the greatest finds in Liverpool City Centre."

    So I set about building the well.

    The archaeologists spent three weeks here and they found lots of things; clay pipes, little bits of porcelain. They dated it at 240 years old and they reckon it was there when Bold Street was just fields.

    At that time it was built purely for water drinking purposes. The water comes through the sandstone. It takes years to come through and it purifies itself. They used to hide them so no-one knew where they were, because drinking water was such a premium in those days. They think possibly the monks had something to do with it.

    The archaeologists found that there was little channels making their way to the well.

    Under two foot of soil we found these channels.

    Back in the 17th Century and the beginning of the 18th Century, the land was owned by the Bowler family, but it used to be called Rope Street, because of Rope Walks.

    In Rope Walks, they used to measure the rope from the top of Bold Street to the bottom because that was the length needed for the tunnel ships and that’s how they’d cut it.

    They think that possibly plaiting these ropes had something to do with the channels they found underground leading towards the well. In other words they would lower the ropes down in the water via the channels and would drag them and plait them as they were bringing them up.

    When people look over, they expect to look about four feet down. When they see it's forty feet down, their breath goes and they think they’re going to fall in."

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    Typical Corpy response eh?

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    The Rope Walks were named because that is how the ropes were made.Two points between each end of the length of rope to be made with a man walking up and down making sure it was spun correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregs dad View Post
    The Rope Walks were named because that is how the ropes were made.Two points between each end of the length of rope to be made with a man walking up and down making sure it was spun correctly.

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    Good post, Joe.

    In the Age of Sail, there were ropewalks in all seaports. In the following view of Baltimore in September 1814, at the time of the Battle of Baltimore that gave birth to the "Star-Spangled Banner" the smoke that can be seen in the background, is smoke from a ropewalk that was set on fire by the Americans themselves to stop it being captured by the British.

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    There are bricked up archways pointing towards Bold Street in the cellar of St Luke's Church. Possibly just when they built the front steps up. Interesting to get a brick or two of them out!


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    As far as I can recall there used to be a rope walk by queens square, running to Clayton square aswell, as for the arch under st Luke's, is that in the crypt ?, there are loads of rumors of tunnels under the old quick fit on Raleigh street, and various other parts the street, there are too many old tales of hideouts, bars, tunnels ect under bold street, BUT there's also a train station which could easily be the origin of the tales, hope the tales are true! Thanks again for all the valued input guys !

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    Under the old Kwik Fit was a bit of a strange one. This goes back years ago and this is from the horses mouth as I was there and have the pics to prove it. A few of us Williamson's Tunnels bods met up in the Dispensary one Sunday afternoon for a jar or 4 and we got in to conversation with the proprietor who said that the cellar floor sounded hollow. We decided to have a nose around the old kwik fit garage as it was empty and upon removing a drain cover, it dropped down about 10 foot in to what looked to be a narrow underground street/passageway. With the aid of a ladder (as you'll always find one on a Sunday afternoon in a pub...) we nipped down. It ran parallel to the road and had a number of bricked up sandstone lintle windows and 3 rectangle doorways blocked up. There were cobbles on the floor which suggested a part road but I think this was just a basement area for the houses above. Going towards Hardman Street was an arch blocked up that we couldn't get even a single brick out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadfael View Post
    Under the old Kwik Fit was a bit of a strange one. This goes back years ago and this is from the horses mouth as I was there and have the pics to prove it. A few of us Williamson's Tunnels bods met up in the Dispensary one Sunday afternoon for a jar or 4 and we got in to conversation with the proprietor who said that the cellar floor sounded hollow. We decided to have a nose around the old kwik fit garage as it was empty and upon removing a drain cover, it dropped down about 10 foot in to what looked to be a narrow underground street/passageway. With the aid of a ladder (as you'll always find one on a Sunday afternoon in a pub...) we nipped down. It ran parallel to the road and had a number of bricked up sandstone lintle windows and 3 rectangle doorways blocked up. There were cobbles on the floor which suggested a part road but I think this was just a basement area for the houses above. Going towards Hardman Street was an arch blocked up that we couldn't get even a single brick out.

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    Just wondered if anyone in authority,such as the council,museums,etc,know anything about these? I remember seeing the pic's on here,but has there been any further investigation?

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    Cadfael: i have been dying to see proof of the dispensary and kwik-fit tunnel rumour! i owe you one, ,you have truly made my week !!!!!! . is their any chance i could be cheeky and see the rest of the pictures you might have? i understand if its a no-no but the end result for me is to have a map overlay to put on top of google earth with corresponding pictures.
    wsteve55: I will take a look at this, now i know it exists !!! being that i am a bad geek ive got a snake cam, so if i can get access to the quick-fit site, ,legally of course, i will definately be looking into this a lot
    Thanks again guys! this is why i love this site so much !!!

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