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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    A great book by James Murphy - very well written and it transports you back in time as though you were there - very atmospheric.

    There was a film made too. The man from the pru and a dramatisation with Geoffrey Yates in it as a copper.

    It would appear from a Radio City programme I remember listening to that a Richard Gordon Parry was responsible for the murder but died in Wales just as they were about to interview him.


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    Vincent Burke does a good take on the case in his crimes dvd but leaves it unclosed, not even mentioning the Parry connection which I found disappointing.
    I've read that book Ged, really enjoyable. Am I right in remembering that Murray concluded by saying Wallace was the murderer and had got the timing absolutely spot on, discrediting the evidence of a milk or paper boy by saying he could have misread the clock when saying what time he had seen Julia alive.

    The man From the Pru was released on video in USA but doesnt appear to have been done so here.

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    Ste, I dunno what Murray said mate cos my book's by Murphy - I know, I know nit pickin' agen - soz ha ha.

    Yeah, it was such a good book up to that last chapter, then he let me down by actually saying he thought it was Wallace but the thought of him in the nak doin' his arl girl then having to get a bath and dried when there was no evidence for this was too much for me to believe, especially with the way Parry acted that night in the garage with the bloodied glove and what he said to the young apprentice. Just goes to show you that the garage owner must've known all along but kept schtum just because Parry was a 'good customer'

    Wallace was a stoic character and his calmness made him even more of a suspect, I mean who sits there calmly lighting a ciggie unless she's gonna be insured for a million and it's coming your way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteH View Post
    I've read that book Ged, really enjoyable. Am I right in remembering that Murray concluded by saying Wallace was the murderer and had got the timing absolutely spot on, discrediting the evidence of a milk or paper boy by saying he could have misread the clock when saying what time he had seen Julia alive.

    The man From the Pru was released on video in USA but doesnt appear to have been done so here.
    I remember watching it on TV, but whether it was called "The Man from the Pru" or whether it was a documentary, I can't remember.

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    Philip, you're no good in the witness box, you may be excused

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Philip, you're no good in the witness box, you may be excused

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    Take a look at this guys.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097822/

    a bit about the film.
    I had never heard of it. Now I am desperate to see it!! grrr!

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    I saw it over here a few years ago, was pretty good, seemed well researched to put it in the right timeframe.
    Would recomend it.
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    Does anyone have a copy of Murphy's book, on the Julia Wallace, murder for sale? I would be interested in purchasing a copy. I check with Amazon on a regular basis but it show's 'unavailable'. Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloyne View Post
    Does anyone have a copy of Murphy's book, on the Julia Wallace, murder for sale? I would be interested in purchasing a copy. I check with Amazon on a regular basis but it show's 'unavailable'. Thanks in advance.
    Sloyne.Type this into Ebay.."MURDER CASEBOOK 25 JULIA / WILLIAM WALLACE"
    Dont know if its what your after though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerard View Post
    Sloyne.Type this into Ebay.."MURDER CASEBOOK 25 JULIA / WILLIAM WALLACE"
    Dont know if its what your after though
    Thanks Gerard but, no, that's not the one. The book I am after is 'Murder of Julia Wallace' by James Murphy. But, and again, thanks for your assistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloyne View Post
    Thanks Gerard but, no, that's not the one. The book I am after is 'Murder of Julia Wallace' by James Murphy. But, and again, thanks for your assistance.
    Your welcome Sloyne.

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    Hi all

    There has been quite a bit of discussion of the Julia Wallace murder case on Casebook: Jack the Ripper, including recently a photograph posted of the house, 29 Wolverton Street, and the back entry behind the house that William Wallace is thought to have used to catch the tram to the mythical Menlove Gardens East. Go to

    http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=30

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    There's an interesting Guardian article here which includes an interview with the current occupant of the house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Hi all

    There has been quite a bit of discussion of the Julia Wallace murder case on Casebook: Jack the Ripper, including recently a photograph posted of the house, 29 Wolverton Street, and the back entry behind the house that William Wallace is thought to have used to catch the tram to the mythical Menlove Gardens East. Go to

    http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=30

    Chris

    Thank you so much for the link Chris.

    This case has intrigued me for years and I took a couple of hours reading all 25 pages last night, digesting and dissecting all the information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Thank you so much for the link Chris.

    This case has intrigued me for years and I took a couple of hours reading all 25 pages last night, digesting and dissecting all the information.
    Thanks, Ged. The Wallace case is certainly known as a classic crime story for the reason that William Herbert Wallace's alibi seemed so strange and unlikely, although I do think there might have been an opportunity for Parry or someone else to have committed the crime.

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    Chris. With so few people involved (although another one or two - Marsden and Johnstone) have been thrown into the ring, it is truly a mystery, especially as there are a number of pro's and cons with all the suspects?

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    Hi Ged

    William Herbert Wallace appears to have been a very odd character but I don't think it is by any means clear that he did do the murder.

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    There is a good post over on that site about someone who retraced Wallace's movements that fateful night. He says the poor bloke would have taken all night these days because public transport is so infrequent

    I personally think it was Parry - though Tom Slemen throws next door neighbour Johnstone at the scene though this isn't totally new as P.C. Fred Williams first proposed the notion - I don't think Johnstone's grandson is too pleased with Slemen. Others think Parry may have lent Marsden his car to do it, though he was unknown to Julia so wouldn't have been let into the house.

    Then there's the Anfield housebreaker who was rife at the time?????

    Mystery and intrigue.

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    Hi Ged

    I'm not sure there was any evidence of anything stolen in the house though was there?

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    Did anyone hear Tom Slemen last night on the Pete price show?
    My son rang in to talk to Tom about the Wallace case.

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    What did Tom, Pete and your son discuss then LindyLou?

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    The Wallace case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Hi Ged

    I'm not sure there was any evidence of anything stolen in the house though was there?

    Chris
    According to William Wallace, some cash was taken from a jar.

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    Yes, his Pru takings were missing, but as he'd been ill the previous week, it wasn't as much as it might've been.

    LindyLou, I know that much What bits of the case did they discuss, does your son have an opinion on 'Whodunnit' (remember that show) - did he give Tom Slemen's newish angle on it any credence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Yes, his Pru takings were missing, but as he'd been ill the previous week, it wasn't as much as it might've been.

    LindyLou, I know that much What bits of the case did they discuss, does your son have an opinion on 'Whodunnit' (remember that show) - did he give Tom Slemen's newish angle on it any credence?
    Sorry Ged, I wasn't intending to be sarky

    get ready for a lengthy post :

    My son is only 13 and just getting interested in the case. I've always told him about it as I was brought up in Wolverton st, so my family were always interested. As kids we used to play right outside of no. 29, and run around the back entry behind the wallace house.
    The famous phone box where he made the phone call - we used to pass it most days. There was always a phonebox located on that spot but in recent years has been removed.

    Of course we grew up knowing about the murder and would tell scary tales about the blood on the walls of the front parlour (as it we used to call a front sitting room then).

    The house remained unmodernised until recent years.
    Throughout the 1960s when I was a kid it always looked old fashioned as you see it in the old photos. It wasn't brought up to date and refurbished until the latter years. Can't recall exactly when - but I do know that the house never changed for long enough - even when most of the other houses were brought up to date, no.29 stayed the same.
    It was a bit disappointing really when it did get modernised - all the character of the house altered and the air of mystery taken away. ( I wish we'd taken more photos of our days in that street - and of the Wallace house as it was then - but you don't think at the time, and people didn't bother with cameras as much then).
    Still, the house had to change eventually and things have to progress.

    My grandmother told us that, when she was young, she spoke to Wallace on one occassion. She went to pay some insurance money at the house. Forget the details now. She said he was a bit odd and quite brusque in manner .. she always believed that he did the murder. We would always argue about it because I was never convinced ! Also, regarding one of the theories of Julia having an affair .. my grandmother maintained that Julia was the last type of person to be having an affair as Mrs Wallace was somewhat antequated and dowdy, a little eccentric, a very quiet and timid kind of lady.

    I don't live in Wolverton street now, we left some years ago, but I still know some of my old neighbours who are still there.


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    the DVD 'Burke's Law' by Vincent Burke is ok, but I found it disappointing as so much detail was left out.
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    Great stuff LindyLou. There's a bloke who has posted some pics up of some of the areas covered in the case, in the link given by ChrisGeorge earlier. It seems most of themare still there in one guise or another - the newsagents, the post office is still a post office - 29 Wolverton street is still there etc as is the triangle of land where the phone box was. There has been mention of perhaps both of them having an affair, but it seems unlikely in both cases if their grey, stoic,understated manner is anything to go by. So many unanswered questions though and a case where legal history was made, possible 2nd only to Jack the ripper for mystery and intrigue and how fitting in a funny sort of way that Liverpool should be involved in both world famous cases.

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    That triangle of land you mention (opposite the LFC Supporters club - the former old Cabbage Hall cinema) - is known as the 'triangle' by local Anfielders. We always refer to the 'triangle'.

    I have photos of when the triangle was a little gardens surrounded by hedges. There were seats in there and a couple of small flowerbeds.
    It's how it would have looked in Wallace's day.
    It was still like it during the early 60s and I can just about remember it.
    It's just a flat area of grass now where the pigeons congregate.

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    Yes, that triangle of land. It was originally Rochester Road I believe. My mother was born in Clarendon Road 3 years after the murder, and was christened in Holy Trinity Church. My great-aunt had dealings with Wallace and she was convinced he was guilty - 'I always knew there was something about him. He always had cold hands'
    My grandfather regularly used to see Wallace as well and believed he was innocent. I have never been convinced of Wallace's guilt. The complete lack of bloodstaining on his person points strongly to his innocence I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark R View Post
    Yes, that triangle of land. It was originally Rochester Road I believe. My mother was born in Clarendon Road 3 years after the murder, and was christened in Holy Trinity Church. My great-aunt had dealings with Wallace and she was convinced he was guilty - 'I always knew there was something about him. He always had cold hands'
    My grandfather regularly used to see Wallace as well and believed he was innocent.
    Hello Mark R.

    Great to see you here. I believe you will know me from the Casebook: Jack the Ripper website. Contemporary views of people involved in famous cases are always interesting. I found George Skelly's The Cameo Conspiracy to be quite persuasive, although I have recently read Richard Whittington-Egan's assessment that the alleged gunman, George Kelly--whom he had met--was the "Little Caesar of Lime Street." It still doesn't mean of course that Kelly did the double murders of the manager and assistant manager at the Cameo Cinema in Wavertree on March 19, 1949 but RWE's characterization of Kelly gives one pause for thought.

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