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    My name's Emma Gill and George Kelly's my late Great Uncle. He was my Grandma's brother. I am doing a lot of research at the moment into the case. I have just discovered this website and have read some of the members' comments regarding my Uncle Georgie. I am sure I can rely on the knowledge and warmth of all you scoucers with this most importantly if any of you know of any details of the case being made into a film etc.


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    There is an awful lot that I do know, privately within my family and I wish sometimes it were known publicly of the mental torment and heartbreak endured to my great grandparents and grandparents and great uncles during the trial and after Uncle Georgie's execution. To this day we still carry the scars and heartache in many different ways.

    I know there is still a lot of interest in the Cameo Cinema Murder in Liverpool. I don't live in the City but am up there regularly and follow the Mighty Reds all the time. Fingers crossed with Barca next month!!

    I look forward to hearing from anyone who has any thoughts.

    All the best.

    Emma Gill

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    A little bit before my time, but I read the book a few years ago by Barry Shortall.

    Very interesting imho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emmagill View Post
    Hi

    My name's Emma Gill and George Kelly's my late Great Uncle. He was my Grandma's brother. I am doing a lot of research at the moment into the case. I have just discovered this website and have read some of the members' comments regarding my Uncle Georgie. I am sure I can rely on the knowledge and warmth of all you scoucers with this most importantly if any of you know of any details of the case being made into a film etc.

    There is an awful lot that I do know, privately within my family and I wish sometimes it were known publicly of the mental torment and heartbreak endured to my great grandparents and grandparents and great uncles during the trial and after Uncle Georgie's execution. To this day we still carry the scars and heartache in many different ways.

    I know there is still a lot of interest in the Cameo Cinema Murder in Liverpool. I don't live in the City but am up there regularly and follow the Mighty Reds all the time. Fingers crossed with Barca next month!!

    I look forward to hearing from anyone who has any thoughts.

    All the best.

    Emma Gill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emmanuel Goldstein View Post
    Perhaps if you approach Tom Slemen and ask him you may get a few leads
    I thought Tom Slemen was involved with myths and legends that are hard to prove.
    Whereas the Cameo Murders really did happen and 2 books have been published.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    I thought Tom Slemen was involved with myths and legends that are hard to prove.
    Whereas the Cameo Murders really did happen and 2 books have been published.
    George Skely, author of The Cameo Conspiracy is the man to contact, he's even been kind enough to post how to get in touch with him here.

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    Hi all

    I received an email recently from George Skelly, author the Cameo Conspiracy, telling me that the screenplay of his version of the Cameo story is now with movie producers, and the film's development is going ahead.

    Emma, knowing that George's father, James Skelly, was a friend of the wrongfully convicted and hanged George Kelly, I am sure that the film portrayal will help to set the record right about what happened at the Cameo theatre and in the aftermath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    I thought Tom Slemen was involved with myths and legends that are hard to prove.
    Whereas the Cameo Murders really did happen and 2 books have been published.

    Not entirely Phil, Tom also investigates local crime and murders - he has covered Madge Kirby murder,The Cameo and is currently ( Hes been writing it for aggggeeeeessssssss) as book about a new Ripper Suspect

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    Hi all

    I received the following email from George Skelly who corrects me on a couple of points in my last post.

    Chris

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    Hi Chris,

    thanks for your email and for explaining matters on Yo Liverpool website.

    A few "amendments" which I don't mind you putting on the site :-

    (a)I no longer live at Portland Court so correspondent ("PhilipG"?) has got it wrong!

    (b)Mr Slemen, to my knowledge has not done any research on the Cameo Murders nor published any new or original material or book. He has simply regurgitated, in local press articles, the material I, and Shortall, uncovered. Indeed in a magazine article ("Taxi Talk") a few years ago, he actually maintained that Kelly was the Cameo killer!

    (c)Sorry Chris, but James Skelly was not my father, he was my eldest brother by 18 years!

    Hope you are well - carry on with the poetry - it's very good.

    Kind Regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Hi all

    I received the following email from George Skelly who corrects me on a couple of points in my last post.

    Chris

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    Hi Chris,

    thanks for your email and for explaining matters on Yo Liverpool website.

    A few "amendments" which I don't mind you putting on the site :-

    (a)I no longer live at Portland Court so correspondent ("PhilipG"?) has got it wrong!

    (b)Mr Slemen, to my knowledge has not done any research on the Cameo Murders nor published any new or original material or book. He has simply regurgitated, in local press articles, the material I, and Shortall, uncovered. Indeed in a magazine article ("Taxi Talk") a few years ago, he actually maintained that Kelly was the Cameo killer!

    (c)Sorry Chris, but James Skelly was not my father, he was my eldest brother by 18 years!

    Hope you are well - carry on with the poetry - it's very good.

    Kind Regards,

    George.

    Not me George!

    I haven't heard of Portland Court (or you, for that matter).

    Do please check what you're saying when you're naming somebody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Hi all

    I received the following email from George Skelly who corrects me on a couple of points in my last post.

    Chris

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    Hi Chris,

    thanks for your email and for explaining matters on Yo Liverpool website.

    A few "amendments" which I don't mind you putting on the site :-

    (a)I no longer live at Portland Court so correspondent ("PhilipG"?) has got it wrong!

    (b)Mr Slemen, to my knowledge has not done any research on the Cameo Murders nor published any new or original material or book. He has simply regurgitated, in local press articles, the material I, and Shortall, uncovered. Indeed in a magazine article ("Taxi Talk") a few years ago, he actually maintained that Kelly was the Cameo killer!

    (c)Sorry Chris, but James Skelly was not my father, he was my eldest brother by 18 years!

    Hope you are well - carry on with the poetry - it's very good.

    Kind Regards,

    George.
    Not me George!

    I never said that Tom Slemen had published anything regarding the cameo murders,or did i say that Tom maintained that the murderer was Kelly - all i said was ask Tom Slemen he might have a few points for you to the poster of this thread.
    I have been a member of Toms forum and i know that he use to have a large Murder and local crime section on his forum and that the Cameo murders was disscussed heavily on one thread - just trying to point in a friendly direction to the poster as i know that the people that visit Toms site and Tom himself have a vast knowledge of local issues far reaching than any published book.

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    All I've said on this thread is the following:

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    "I thought Tom Slemen was involved with myths and legends that are hard to prove.
    Whereas the Cameo Murders really did happen and 2 books have been published."

    I've never heard of George Skelly, and have no idea why he mentioned my name.

    But haven't I already said that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    All I've said on this thread is the following:

    Quote:
    "I thought Tom Slemen was involved with myths and legends that are hard to prove.
    Whereas the Cameo Murders really did happen and 2 books have been published."

    I've never heard of George Skelly, and have no idea why he mentioned my name.

    But haven't I already said that?
    Hello Philip and Emmanuel

    Sorry for the mixup, guys. It was in fact SteH who gave a link to an old message on icLiverpool giving contact information for George Skelly, author of The Cameo Conspiracy, but George says the information is not current. It so happened that you, Philip G, were quoted in the same post of SteH's which led to the mixup. George is unfamiliar with this forum and it was an honest mistake, sorry! Anyway, George has sent the following. We do note, Philip, that you also had said, "I thought Tom Slemen was involved with myths and legends that are hard to prove. Whereas the Cameo Murders really did happen and 2 books have been published." Absolutely true. Emmanuel, granted that Tom Slemen has a forum on which crime history has been discussed. George Skelly simply wishes to point out that Mr Slemen is not an expert on the Cameo case.

    Chris,

    not being a member of your forum I would be grateful if you could post this email.

    It seems I have upset your correspondent "PhilipG". On closer scrutiny the remarks which I attributed to him, to which I made my "amendments", were by "Emmanuel Goldstein" and "StephH".

    "PhilipG", however, states that I should check before "naming" people. In my defence may I point out that when I mentioned his "name" it was not his full name (which I do not know) and is, I presume, either an abbreviation or a pseudonym. Secondly, I did put a question mark after his "name" to indicate that I was asking if it was he. Quite different from "naming" somebody as such.

    As for Mr Slemen, of whom one of your correspondents asserts has much more local knowledge than that contained in a published book - that may apply in general to many people. I don't profess to be knowledgeable in the least about ghosts or the supernatural (mainly because I do not believe in either). I do however feel that your correspondent should appreciate that the "published book",
    The Cameo Conspiracy, was the result of at least 40 years intimate knowledge and ongoing research.

    Kind regards,

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    Ironically, what I was implying was that either of the two books would be a better source of information than Tom Slemen on the Cameo case.
    But I didn't know the names of the authors.
    But I'm less inclined to read them now that I know one of the authors throws names about without checking his facts.
    It's no excuse to say he put in a question mark and assumes that "PhilipG" is some sort of alias.
    George Skelly says he doesn't know my full name, but a lot of people on this forum do, and if Mr Skelly had known my full name I suspect he would have used it.
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    Dearest George

    You say in your mail posted here through a third party

    "As for Mr Slemen, of whom one of your correspondents asserts has much more local knowledge than that contained in a published book - that may apply in general to many people. I don't profess to be knowledgeable in the least about ghosts or the supernatural (mainly because I do not believe in either). I do however feel that your correspondent should appreciate that the "published book", The Cameo Conspiracy, was the result of at least 40 years intimate knowledge and ongoing research."

    I really wish you would read my posts and understand them before spouting stuff through a third party..as i did not say the things you are pertaining in your mail!

    I said....

    " just trying to point in a friendly direction to the poster as i know that the people that visit Toms site and Tom himself have a vast knowledge of local issues far reaching than any published book."

    so george as you can see all i said was that THE PEOPLE that visit toms site and TOM himself have a vast knowledge of LOCAL ISSUES far reaching than ANY published book.....perhaps you can see now the word ANY published book,and the words LOCAL ISSUES so please stop fretting as i never singled your book out,please get a grip of your paranoia.

    Hopefully Emma Gill will be able to gleam some local information that she is looking for from either this site or Toms site..after all i didnt know that there was a Monopoly on the cameo case or knowledge of the case.

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    Someone on here raises an interesting point and I'd like to expand on it with a question -

    Can anyone provide an example of Mr. Slemen discovering any unique, verifiable and substantial information about any of the criminal cases which he has "investigated" which cannot be otherwise ascertained via any pre-existing published material ?

    AP

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntiPathos View Post
    Someone on here raises an interesting point and I'd like to expand on it with a question -

    Can anyone provide an example of Mr. Slemen discovering any unique, verifiable and substantial information about any of the criminal cases which he has "investigated" which cannot be otherwise ascertained via any pre-existing published material ?

    AP
    Welcome AntiPathos.

    A very good question.

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    What Wavertree street was the Cameo?

    I forgot which street but I remember lemen's article In the South Liverpool Merseymart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    What Wavertree street was the Cameo?

    I forgot which street but I remember lemen's article In the South Liverpool Merseymart.
    The corner of Webster Road & Bird Street.
    Off Smithdown Road.
    There's new housing there now.

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    Ahhhh Webster Road I know.

    I thought that was Edge Hill though since It's past Earl Road?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntiPathos View Post
    Someone on here raises an interesting point and I'd like to expand on it with a question -

    Can anyone provide an example of Mr. Slemen discovering any unique, verifiable and substantial information about any of the criminal cases which he has "investigated" which cannot be otherwise ascertained via any pre-existing published material ?

    AP
    welcome AntiPathos

    That is a very reasonable question to ask, im sure if you visited Toms forum and asked him in his " Ask Tom " section he might be able to answer it for you? I cant answer that one but he reckons that he has a new ripper suspect that has not been mentioned in the suspect mix before - guess we will have to wait till his book is published i guess

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    PhilipG/Emmanuel Goldstein,

    Thanks for the welcome fellas.

    As far as asking him on his forum what he has demonstrably achieved in respect of moving on any unsolved/contentious criminal cases, this might be pointless. I have heard that anything remotely challenging to answer is promptly deleted. I've seen his site and one could be forgiven for imagining that the TS Forum is strictly for his peculiar band of personal nuthuggers and oddball sycophants but 'difficult' posts have been made on that board and swiftly plucked off the Truth Tree and left to rot in Slemen's deletion bin. It's not in his interests to have his regular board viewers exposed to any trace of critical thinking after all...

    And as for his Ripper bandwagonning, Mr George would be an apt person to comment on that. Although the inactivity regarding his 'theory' on the Casebook website says alot.

    If you hadn't guessed, I posed my original question after having recently read Slemen's treatment of the Cameo Cinema Murders. AFAICR, not a thing of interest which he wrote could not have been gleaned from Mr. George Skelly's book. And anything else which he has imagined to have happened was without a mite of evidence.

    His Ripper book, if it ever sees the light of day, will be the first time he has ever typed a substantial work of any kind. Perhaps that's why it's so far taken him twelve years to not produce. After all his specialism lies in the rather less illustrious direction of constructing short pieces of laughable nonsense for the intellectually infirm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntiPathos View Post
    PhilipG/Emmanuel Goldstein,

    Thanks for the welcome fellas.

    As far as asking him on his forum what he has demonstrably achieved in respect of moving on any unsolved/contentious criminal cases, this might be pointless. I have heard that anything remotely challenging to answer is promptly deleted. I've seen his site and one could be forgiven for imagining that the TS Forum is strictly for his peculiar band of personal nuthuggers and oddball sycophants but 'difficult' posts have been made on that board and swiftly plucked off the Truth Tree and left to rot in Slemen's deletion bin. It's not in his interests to have his regular board viewers exposed to any trace of critical thinking after all...

    And as for his Ripper bandwagonning, Mr George would be an apt person to comment on that. Although the inactivity regarding his 'theory' on the Casebook website says alot.

    If you hadn't guessed, I posed my original question after having recently read Slemen's treatment of the Cameo Cinema Murders. AFAICR, not a thing of interest which he wrote could not have been gleaned from Mr. George Skelly's book. And anything else which he has imagined to have happened was without a mite of evidence.

    His Ripper book, if it ever sees the light of day, will be the first time he has ever typed a substantial work of any kind. Perhaps that's why it's so far taken him twelve years to not produce. After all his specialism lies in the rather less illustrious direction of constructing short pieces of laughable nonsense for the intellectually infirm.

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    Do a Search in this group for Slemen and you'll find some interesting posts.
    He obviously has his admirers and non-admirers.
    Regarding myself as a local historian I'm always willing to give my sources (which TS never gives), and always try to deal in facts.
    But I don't write about ghosts and ghoulies simply because I'm a non-believer.

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    The other day someone rang in to Billy Butler's radio prog and asked him about an upcoming film based on the Cameo murders. The caller said something like "it's a certificate 18, with US and British actors and will be out in the Autumn". After I heard it my Insightful Question of the Day was that I wasn't sure sure if this caller was asking Billy or telling him (think about it). Something didn't seem right anyway and so I did some digging: there's no Cameo film registered with the BBFC and nothing showing up on IMDB. So, does anyone know anything about it ? Or is a better searcher than I am !

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    There is a film of the cameo case in production.... I believe...

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    Hi all

    I understand that from a recent email from George Skelly, author of The Cameo Conspiracy, that a movie of his book is still in the works.

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    Dinnae just say that without the palava mate ?

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    Yeh yer rite mate. Just thought I'd add a bit o' palaver tho.
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    Seeing as they were both mates of me dars... I don't see the point... honestly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Hello Mark R.

    Great to see you here. I believe you will know me from the Casebook: Jack the Ripper website. Contemporary views of people involved in famous cases are always interesting. I found George Skelly's The Cameo Conspiracy to be quite persuasive, although I have recently read Richard Whittington-Egan's assessment that the alleged gunman, George Kelly--whom he had met--was the "Little Caesar of Lime Street." It still doesn't mean of course that Kelly did the double murders of the manager and assistant manager at the Cameo Cinema in Wavertree on March 19, 1949 but RWE's characterization of Kelly gives one pause for thought.

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    Chris, have you ever read Barry Shortall's book on the Cameo murders? This seems to imply that Kelly was innnocent but Connolly was guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteH View Post
    Chris, have you ever read Barry Shortall's book on the Cameo murders? This seems to imply that Kelly was innnocent but Connolly was guilty.
    Hi Steve

    No I have not read the Shortall book. Connolly and Kelly of course contended they did not even know each other. If Shortall is right that Connolly was involved in the Cameo murders, why didn't he turn in the gunman instead of contending, as I believe his counsel argued at his second trial, that Kelly did the murders -- a story that he later recanted?

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