Julia Wallace Murder Case

**Mark R** · 01-19-2011

The actual statement I have of Close is not dated but there is no doubt that he informed the police at 29 WS on the following night of the murder.
Close also recreated his round with CID to time it. He took 5 minutes which I have to say is highly unlikely - it took me 5 and a half minutes and that was without the stops. It would have taken him more like 7-8 mins. He was also 20-30 minutes late due to the fact that his bicycle was broken. Yes, Prendergast was technical advisor on Z Cars and was one of the police who conducted the tram tests.

I just don't think Wallace hired a contract killer - it would take an incredible amount of trust. Was Parry, Marsden or Young that 'trustworthy?'

**Ged** · 01-19-2011

Listening to today's radio broadcast. I didn't know Radio Merseyside did a drama broadcast in 1991?

Vincent Burke on now. I have his dvd of it - which is a bit disappointing.

**Mark R** · 01-19-2011

Ged - did I hear it correctly on that documentary from '91 they refer to her as 'Julie'? I couldn't hear properly at RM today but it sounded like Julie...

**underworld** · 01-19-2011

Is it possible to get hold of old broadcasts from Radio Merseyside anyone? Im interested in Cameo murders stuff and an interview with Charlie Connolly in th 1990s before he died.

**Ged** · 01-19-2011

Originally Posted by Mark R

Ged - did I hear it correctly on that documentary from '91 they refer to her as 'Julie'? I couldn't hear properly at RM today but it sounded like Julie...

I haven't heard that but Vincent Burkes slurring way of speaking, as atmospheric as it is, does sometimes make it difficult to hear clearly what he's saying.

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Stephen Guy on now. He beleives WHW was guilty. If I were Billy Butler, i'd have had to ask him why he thinks that.

He's just made a mistake right away saying the Anfield Harriers fit young det sprinted from the call box. The time trials of course concentrated only on the murder night, not the call box night.

He's saying the motive was WHW finding out JW was 17 years older than him and couldn't give him a family???

**Mark R** · 01-19-2011

I'd like to think they are available Underworld - I heard Steve Coleman today asking the women to find the date out for that doc Ged mentioned and it was all done like a flash and the sound quality of it sounded good. It would be great if they could be obtained. I'm sure the Cameo must have been covered!

**IAN DAVID FRYER** · 01-19-2011

GED/MARK-Billy Butler called her JULIE right at the outset & I'm sure Vincent Burke also got the wrong name!!. I recorded the 1991 Radio Merseyside documentary..stilll got it on tape..Didnt think it was much good at the time,as it didnt add anything new at all....I remember trying to pick out the various presenters voices ie Roger Pillips & the late great Bob Azurdia... I thought the RADIO CITY "Who Killed Julia" of 1981 was far superior!! IAN(FJumble)

**Mark R** · 01-19-2011

Did he say from the call-box Ged? I didn't hear that (his section was recorded)...There you go... I think I heard him say that the only thing in Wallace's favour of innocence was Beattie saying the voice sounded nothing like Wallace's but that he could have altered his voice. As many on here know there are quite a few things in Wallace's favour and the voice on the telephone is just one of them.

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Ha ha yes Ian!! Billy Butler mentioned Bob Azurdia! Yes, the '81 Radio City programmes were great - really atmospheric.

**Ged** · 01-19-2011

Originally Posted by Ged

Yes, Holy Trinity clock was checked by one of the boys on his rounds as he did do each day to see how he was doing for time. There's little doubt this didn't fit in the with the police's notions. It is in Goodman's book that mentions a conversation after the trial between Harry Bailey and Sydney Schofield Allenwhereby Bailey said that when I retire, i'll tell you something about the investigation that will interest you immensely. In the spring of 1981, the son of the det sgt involved in the case said his father told him Parry was a suspect from the start and his house and car was turned over - if the car was so thoroughly examined before Parkes' statement - then why?

If any of the above is true, i'd love to know what it was - how tantilising!!!

**John Doh** · 01-19-2011

Originally Posted by IAN DAVID FRYER

GED/MARK-Billy Butler called her JULIE right at the outset & I'm sure Vincent Burke also got the wrong name!!. I recorded the 1991 Radio Merseyside documentary..stilll got it on tape..Didnt think it was much good at the time,as it didnt add anything new at all....I remember trying to pick out the various presenters voices ie Roger Pillips & the late great Bob Azurdia... I thought the RADIO CITY "Who Killed Julia" of 1981 was far superior!! IAN(FJumble)

Ah, that explains a lot - I didn't realise that both stations did a version each. I think I must have heard the Radio City one - I certainly didn't recognise much of what was broadcast today... which I found a bit disappointing.

I seem to remember that the version I heard - or maybe it was the book? - made much of the fact that the investigation by the police was of a very poor quality as a result of the dropping of standards for police recruitment following the police strike when so many were sacked and they were prepared to take almost anyone... Can anybody confirm this story?

**Mark R** · 01-19-2011

Jonathan Goodman gives an account of the Liverpool Police Strike of 1919, claiming it had negative far-reaching consequences on the subsequent force. He states that 'of a force of 1874 members 951 remained on strike and were dismissed.' Goodman also states that among the men recruited some were of questionable character and even investigated their own crimes... Don't know if it is corroborated though... Yes, you're right - it was mentioned on the Who Killed Julia? Radio City programme in 1981.

**Ged** · 01-19-2011

I've heard that said before John, unless indeed it was your goodself somewhere?

Certainly Hubert Moore arrived on the scene slight intoxicated, but perhaps he could be forgiven as he was off duty - or are they ever???

MacFall didn't do the rectal temperature on Julia's body, relying instead on the somewhat flawed rigor mortis method, indeed he changed his findings at least three times - that of the length of times deceased and the number of blows to the head and also from the killer would have been heavily bloodstained to not much blood on him/her at all - this is to fit in with the polices' notion of it being WHW.

Also the police used the upstairs lav before forensics were taken.

The Anfield Harriers were also resorted to running at times to make the timescale of WHW's route quicker.

Then we have the fact the Qualtrough phone call night route was never investigated - ie. could WHW have made the call and got into town on time to the chess club. This is where Stephen Guy got mixed up on the broadcast earlier.

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Just in case anyone wants to hear it again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...er_19_01_2011/

**Mark R** · 01-19-2011

There are a few inconsistencies re: Moore on the night of the murder. Some accounts have him in a pub, drinking the night away but I'm sure Murphy states that he was at home. If he was at home, why did it take him over an hour to get to Wolverton St? He lived on Belmont Drive only a few hundred yards away from the scene of the murder.

**Ged** · 01-19-2011

Thought you did brilliantly today Mark. The way you just pull names out of the hat and the number of tests done on the blob of blood etc and in contrast we have mentions of Julie, call box harriers.......