Julia Wallace Murder Case

[Ged]

I know it's only his opinion but he had Wallace hanging for this.

He said it took a chess players mind to think of the Qualthrough and Menlove Gdns East plan.

He brushed aside a motive, had Wallace in the nude when he commited the murder but for the overcoat that Julia was found with. (could have a point)

Said he knocked at the Johnson's (who he said were friends of his grandparents) but weren't they on their way out for a night out when they bumped into Wallace in the entry?

He didn't mention Milk Boy, Alan Closes' statement about him seeing Julia at a time that put WHW out of the frame.

He didn't mention that the judge practically implied that the jury should find him not guilty - though they didn't.

He didn't mention the 'bloodied glove' belonging to Parry nor his motives or part in the story.

Will we ever know


He was on between 9am and 9.30am if you want to use the listen again facility.

[Mark R]

I know it's only his opinion but he had Wallace hanging for this.

He said it took a chess players mind to think of the Qualthrough and Menlove Gdns East plan.

He brushed aside a motive, had Wallace in the nude when he commited the murder but for the overcoat that Julia was found with. (could have a point)

Said he knocked at the Johnson's (who he said were friends of his grandparents) but weren't they on their way out for a night out when they bumped into Wallace in the entry?

He didn't mention Milk Boy, Alan Closes' statement about him seeing Julia at a time that put WHW out of the frame.

He didn't mention that the judge practically implied that the jury should find him not guilty - though they didn't.

He didn't mention the 'bloodied glove' belonging to Parry nor his motives or part in the story.

Will we ever know


He was on between 9am and 9.30am if you want to use the listen again facility.

Only saw this post now...Yes Ged, was it Stephen Guy on Radio Merseyside? I missed it but was informed of it...All of your points are correct of course.
Wallace was not wearing the overcoat. Julia was lying on it, so he is wrong about that and yes, Wallace met the Johnston's in the entryway by chance. He certainly didn't knock at no.31. Why it would take a chess player's mind to conceive the Qualtrough plan and the sojourn to MG area is anybody's guess...Wallace wasn't even that great a chess player...I suppose to quote Peter Gabriel; Looks are deceptive but distinctions are clear...I suppose the broadcaster is as prejudiced as the jury were.

That is the problem (and always has been) with this case - too many facts are critically error strewn by so-called 'experts'. There was some activity on the JTR Casebook recently and Stewart Evans has taken it upon himself to state that the Wallace Case is not a mystery at all and that Goodman's TKOJW is outdated and that it is now widely regarded that Wallace was guilty because the jury found him guilty...Sheesh... I made the point that there isn't a scrap of evidence to justify 100% the verdict reached by the jury. While I am not doubting there is a possibility that WHW committed the murder, there is also extremely strong evidence to point to him being innocent of the crime as well...

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=141&page=5

As to your point Will We Ever Know? I don't believe we ever will for sure - we certainly won't whilst rubbish is still being written and broadcast about it

[Ged]

Yes, that was him Mark, Stephen Guy on his villans slot on I think Andy Ball's programme.

[Mark R]

Radio Merseyside has recently (re)released (as a tribute to Vincent Burke) Burke's Law. It is the DVD and has a running time of nearly two hours. Included are the accounts of Lock Ah Tam, The Maybrick Case, The Wallace Case and the Cameo Murders. It is ?12.99.

[Ged]

Got that 2 years ago, they must have re-hashed it after Vincent's death. He does have a new book out too, ironically and sadly dedicated to his wife who died in 2007, the Wallace case is in it, hopefully in better fashion than that dvd which is very open ended and doesn't even touch on Parry. There are a few pics in it I hadn't seen before too from private collectors.

[Samp]

There is an article in tonight?s Echo about the Wallace murder.

Another book coming out!

[Mark R]

There is an article in tonight?s Echo about the Wallace murder.

Another book coming out!

Yes. I've just found it online...If I am correct he has used many of my ideas (to be diplomatic...) He has been researching it for 2 years. If what I believe is correct, I mentioned this 7 years ago... Mind you, good luck to him for finding a publisher.

[naked lilac]

Yes. I've just found it online...If I am correct he has used many of my ideas (to be democratic...) He has been researching it for 2 years. If what I believe is correct, I mentioned this 7 years ago... Mind you, good luck to him for finding a publisher.

Well, MarkR. YES you have been on this case forever.. Waiting for YOUR book.. Get out and find that publisher before he does... and best of luck to you.. Don't let your work just fade away into someone elses hands.. get a move on matie... I will buy your book...

[Mark R]

Actually I managed to track down a copy of the Echo article in the library yesterday. I would have to say that after reading it I don't agree with his theory. If I am correct, the protagonist he says committed the act was Marsden (hardly original...) Marsden has been a suspect from day one and although I said that he could have been the murderer, there is still NO definite proof that it was him. I am not a big fan of condemning somebody who cannot defend themselves. If/when the book gets published, I await a backlash from Marsden's relatives a la Johnston/Slemen, Parry/Wilkes...

[Lord Dick]

GED,
which of the Cameo books you mentioned, had errors, and what where they, specifically? I know the Shortall one did but dont think the Skelly one did.

[Lord Dick]

Mark,
I agree with you. If Wallace organised the murder with Marsden and Parry, why would he name them as likely suspects to the police. (which is not to say they both may have been culpable without Wallace's knowledge). As for the Slemen rubbish about the Johnsons - that's exactly what it is, Rubbish.

[Mark R]

Mark,
I agree with you. If Wallace organised the murder with Marsden and Parry, why would he name them as likely suspects to the police. (which is not to say they both may have been culpable without Wallace's knowledge).

Yes, I agree Lord Dick. They could have been culpable without Wallace's knowledge.

In that Echo piece Gannon claims that Wallace knew he was dying and didn't want to spend his last years with Julia. This is sheer speculation of course. Gannon also claims that Wallace wanted to spend his days in his nice bungalow with his hobbies...This is ridiculous - Wallace was NOT guaranteed the bungalow (or ANY bungalow). It was by pure luck that Wallace managed to get the bungalow in Bromborough. The court case and the cost of the defence crippled him. He had about ?150 in the bank. His brother Joseph contributed a few hundred pounds to the case and thre Pru sent the bulk of the donations. Wallace sued some of the press for slander and sold his story enabling him to put money towards the house. Wallace carried on working/commuting to Liverpool to his office job on Dale Street. Hardly retiring to the good life.

The murder (from a Wallace pov) was fraught with danger and hazardous to say the least. The method was highly dubious and anything could have gone wrong. As I have said on another post, if Wallace wanted to kill his wife, why go to such messy and difficult measures? Why didn't he just go on a holiday somewhere and push her over a cliff? Sure, there could be a doubt that he killed her but you can guarantee there would be less possibility of anything going wrong.

Gannon also mentioned that Mr 'M' (for murderer but I think we know he means 'Marsden') was getting paid to have sex with Julia...dear oh dear. I think this is ludicrous. He was 28 and she, 69...I know it might be argued but I cannot see it myself...

[Ged]

This couple didn't know - until their taxi driver told them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/...on-Street.html




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[dazza]

I wonder did they ever notice people taking random photo's of the house, or pointing to it, before the taxi driver revelation? Or the Shiverpool guided groups all parked outside the front window?

A lesson for us all when buying a new place.

1. Valuation
2. Full structural survey.
3. Doing a full house history search............Priceless!

[Mark R]

I wonder did they ever notice people taking random photo's of the house, or pointing to it, before the taxi driver revelation? Or the Shiverpool guided groups all parked outside the front window?

A lesson for us all when buying a new place.

1. Valuation
2. Full structural survey.
3. Doing a full house history search............Priceless!

Ha ha Dazza - I'd live there at the drop of a hat. Yes, Ged, Kevin Firth (I believe a Liberal Councillor). I think they have moved now. Here's a photo of the steps at the back of Sedley/Letchworth Streets.

Thanks for that link to Gannon's Crimespace Ged. Yes, I've seen that Crimespace site with Gannon's blog (or should that be 'blag'?!!). Unfortunately, the Wallace Case now seems to have descended into a trashy/journalistic-type case with self-proclaimed 'experts' suddenly jumping on the bandwagon (a la Whitechapel/Ripper case). Gannon's claim that it was Marsden is hardly earth shattering. I named him as a possible suspect years ago and I cannot take any credit for that, after all, Wallace mentioned him as a possible suspect at the time. I believe the person Gannon is referring to is Joseph Caleb Marsden of 24 Adelaide Road (you heard it on Yo! first ). When Marsden collected for a time, one of his possible clients on his round was an "R.J Qualtrough"...)
Interesting to also note that in his recommendation Gannon doesn't mention Murphy's book. Although I have made comments about Murphy's book, it is one of the essential reading books that should NOT be overlooked...