Boundary Markers

**taffy** · 01-10-2007

Despite what the council would have you believe with their new district signs, there's no defined boundary for Mossley Hill. The nearest attempt are the Church of England parish boundaries for SS Matthew and James, Mossley Hill and St Barnabas, Mossley Hill.

However Rose Lane, Mossley Hill has two beautiful boundary markers. One near the church, defining the boundary between Garston and Wavertree. The other defining the boundary between Allerton and Wavertree. Both boundaries ran down the middle of Rose Lane.

The W|G stone is located against the wall near the SS Matthew and James Vicarage and the A|W stone is built into the stone wall about 100 yds along towards Mather Ave from Pitville Rd. Photos attached. The Allerton wavertree bounadry continues Rose lane and then along Green Lane where another boundary marker exists to confirm this.

The net result of all this of course is that SS Matthew and James Church is in Garston Township. Also of course all the shops etc on Allerton Rd are in Wavertree Township and not the Allerton so beloved of estate agents

MissInformed · 01-11-2007

great pics

**ChrisGeorge** · 01-11-2007

I agree. Wonderful photographs, Taffy. Thanks for taking them and also for giving us that information on the markers' locations.

Chris

MissInformed · 01-12-2007

great to see these little pieces of history still dotted around our city. I think it's what makes it so special

**marky** · 01-13-2007

This is the usual bisected natural stone with large initials. I can see a large 'G' on one side, but unfortunately the other side is worn...can someone confirm it was a 'W'.
This is on the modern-day boundary of L17/L18.
This is located on Victoria Road near the junction with Carnatic Road, which can be seen in the distance in the second pic.

**taffy** · 01-13-2007

Originally Posted by marky

This is the usual bisected natural stone with large initials. I can see a large 'G' on one side, but unfortunately the other side is worn...can someone confirm it was a 'W'.
This is on the modern-day boundary of L17/L18.
This is located on Victoria Road near the junction with Carnatic Road, which can be seen in the distance in the second pic.

Thanks for this one Marky, another stone I didn't know about. I cannot make out a W but yes the boundary stone was the Garston/Wavertree boundary marker. It's shown on my 1908 large scale map from Alan and Godfrey. The boundary stone was close to two others marking the point where the townships of Toxteth Park, Garston and Wavertree met. I don't know if the others still exist though as the area has been subject to re-development

**marky** · 01-15-2007

T.T.P. (Township of Toxteth Park)
This is located on North Mossley Hill Road, near Ibbotsons Lane (the car in the second pic is parked in Ibbotsons Lane...at this end it is a Public Footpath and leads to the Iron Bridge at Sefton Park).
Everything North of the stone is in Toxteth Park...there isn't any indication of the area South of the stone...Wavertree ?
I'll definately have to send these pics to Toxteth.net as evidence of the Toxteth boundary are very rare.

**ChrisGeorge** · 01-16-2007

Originally Posted by marky

T.T.P. (Township of Toxteth Park)
This is located on North Mossley Hill Road, near Ibbotsons Lane (the car in the second pic is parked in Ibbotsons Lane...at this end it is a Public Footpath and leads to the Iron Bridge at Sefton Park).
Everything North of the stone is in Toxteth Park...there isn't any indication of the area South of the stone...Wavertree ?
I'll definately have to send these pics to Toxteth.net as evidence of the Toxteth boundary are very rare.

Super photographs, Marky! Thanks once again. I totally agree that you should send these pics to Toxteth.net. Good work. I also agree with Taffy that all such markers should be listed.

Chris

**Ged** · 01-16-2007

My uncle was over from Ireland and we were cutting through by St. Mary's graveyard when he noticed a stone and said ''Jesus, 210, this guy was old''

I asked him what the name said on the stone, he brushed some undergrowth one side and said ''Miles from London''.

**marky** · 01-16-2007

Wavertree Playground markers:
Toxteth.net has more info on these including a pic of the missing W and T.P. stones
http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverp...y/boundary.htm

Today there is a Railway Boundary Post in the area where the Stone Markers where. The remains of an old wooden fence can still be seen in places along the line of the modern railings. The Stones where against the old wooden fence. Nearby is a mystery stone block...it could be nothing, but there were a couple of other markers on early maps. The area of interest is the Smithdown Road/Grant Avenue section.