More buildings around Liverpool

[A.D.W]

I think it's Jamaica Street going away from town, but I'm confused by the sign to "Docks 1-10".
I'm not really up on docks, but I thought all the south docks had been closed by the 1980s.
Anyway, if it is Jamaica Street, I think that building is what remained of the African Oil Mills.
As Bunf says, it's not the Guinness building that was in his photo (Essex House - the one opposite the Swedish Church).

Whether it's still there, I couldn't say.
It's about time I went round that area again.

That big building has gone. There are 'top' dollar houses there now.

[marky]

Re: Norfolk St. pic
It looks like the junction with Chaloner St. heading South out of the city towards the bend before Parliament St. Straight on would be Sefton St. I'm guessing this because just behind the large brown building is the massive grain silo at Coburg dock (you can just see the edge of this grey building). This was one of the largest buildings ever, and was demolished in the very late 1980s.
If I'm right then the brown building would be on Queens Dock.

[scouserdave]

It was taken from the Chaloner St end of Norfolk St looking towards Sefton St. That building was knocked down in the late 80s. Looks like it was around the Kings or Queens Dock. Here's a pic I took from a similar area a few years back.

[nancy o.]

Thanks everyone, I think my mystery is solved. Dave, your picture is taken from almost the same vantage point as mine! I was thinking that the building on Norfolk St. had probably been demolished by now, but instead it looks like it's been been cleaned up and restored.

[scouserdave]

Hi Nancy, I zoomed in on another pic I took, just a few feet south from yours and the building has been replaced by housing.

[marky]

The Liverpool Record Office website has a pic taken from the other side of the Granary and states the following about the buildings next to the Granary...The older building was built by the Dock Engineer Lyster, and the chimney is Lyster's Hydraulic Pumping Station.


Ref No. 770 ECH/1/1/1100
Edward Chambré Hardman
Copyright The National Trust

[Waterways]

Re: Norfolk St. pic
It looks like the junction with Chaloner St. heading South out of the city towards the bend before Parliament St. Straight on would be Sefton St. I'm guessing this because just behind the large brown building is the massive grain silo at Coburg dock (you can just see the edge of this grey building). This was one of the largest buildings ever, and was demolished in the very late 1980s.
If I'm right then the brown building would be on Queens Dock.

The Dock Rd. The old Victorian building the original Coburg Dock grain silo. A very large 1930s concrete silo was built next to it in Brunswick Dock (seen just behind it). They were connected by a high level walkway or conveyor. The south end docks closed in 1972, however the Coburg and Brunwick Docks stayed open until 1975/76, as the silos were still used. Brunswick and Coburg Docks could take quite large ships and they could have remained open for far longer and even been used today - poor management. The smaller Garston Docks, way further up river are still open up an expensive dredged channel.

The smells from the silo were superb, as spices and various grains were unloaded. They permeated the whole of the south end area. Pictuires don't give smells.

[ayjaykay]

Welcome to the forum.

This is a tough one!
It wasn't a bank or a pub, because it would have been marked as such on the OS maps.
Way back as far as the 1940s, it was an opticians (but it wasn't built as such).
Kings the opticians still have part of the building.
Until a couple of years ago they had all the ground floor.

I thought the building might be Edwardian, but Joseph Sharples mentions it in passing (page 180) and says "possibly 1880s".

There is a Liver Bird in one of the panels.
It needs more investigation.

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Here's almost the same view to the modern one you posted, but from 1947 (from 'More Memories of Liverpool', edited by Freddy O'Connor). Everything to the left of the building was demolished when they built Clayton Square shopping centre in the 1980s but it's interesting how they copied the building immediately next door, replacing the clock with a Virgin logo!

[PhilipG]

Here's almost the same view to the modern one you posted, but from 1947 (from 'More Memories of Liverpool', edited by Freddy O'Connor). Everything to the left of the building was demolished when they built Clayton Square shopping centre in the 1980s but it's interesting how they copied the building immediately next door, replacing the clock with a Virgin logo!

This is still on my "To Do" list.
As Joseph Sharples says, it is probably 1880s, but new windows and the stucco work were put in after 1905.
I'm sure about that because the Crown Hotel in Lime Street had similar 2-storey bay windows installed when it was modernised in 1905, and the Crown had to get special permission because it was the first case of its kind.

The Liver Bird must give a clue.

[MissInformed]

I have been past this many times on Devonshire Road in Toxteth.
Unforunately I didnt get a chance to take a pic of the full building, it is a house with the back overlooking Princes Park.

It is a horse on a plaque above the arch to the entrance.
Just wondering if anyone knows its significance?

[PhilipG]

I have been past this many times on Devonshire Road in Toxteth.
Unforunately I didnt get a chance to take a pic of the full building, it is a house with the back overlooking Princes Park.

It is a horse on a plaque above the arch to the entrance.
Just wondering if anyone knows its significance?

I don't know off-hand, Carrie.
Folks, if you could include the actual address, I'll be able to say what the building was in 1936, & then perhaps find out more later.
Carrie, it's only 5 minutes away, so I'll wander round this afternoon.

[MissInformed]

thats fantastic Philip!
many thanks

[PhilipG]

The house was built between 1857 and 1863, but we can't be sure that the crest was put up when the house was new.
It's possible to find out who the first owner was by checking street directories.
In 1936 it was occupied by the Rev. Nicholl Grieve, M.A. (Presbyterian Church of England).
It seems very big even by vicarage standards.

[MissInformed]

Thats fantastic Philip!
Thank you so much for even researching that much for me!

The archway looks pretty old but the actual plaque/crest itself looks alot newer I think.

A vicarage? interesting...

[MissInformed]

The house was built between 1857 and 1863, but we can't be sure that the crest was put up when the house was new.
It's possible to find out who the first owner was by checking street directories.
In 1936 it was occupied by the Rev. Nicholl Grieve, M.A. (Presbyterian Church of England).
It seems very big even by vicarage standards.

Looking at that pic Philip, it looks as if the archway is seperate from the house, and in a different style