thanks Daz
i cannot figure were the butts name comes from my side of the family are feeney and have never heard the name butts until
i started my tree i could not find my G G Grandfathers birth he was Thomas Feeney i spent a year looking in the end
i found his birth under Thomas Butts
anyway thanks for the help i will send off for the marriage and see if that sheds some light on things

regards rich