Hi Pat,

Dunno if this is right but I had fun tracing it anyway

I can see him in the 1861
John Alfred (aged 13)
His Father Thomas(53) "Spirit Dealer and Victualler" and Mother Elizabeth(52)
12 Wide Street West Derby, Toxteth Park

Brothers and Sisters:
Matilda Arden (26)
Mary Ann (19)
Daniel (15)
Joseph Olwin (11)



Margaret Winder (10) Niece also present

Back in the 1851 Census
they are living in Minshal Street
Thomas (44) Elizabeth(40)
Brothers Richard (18), James(14), Charles(11), Daniel(5), Oliver(2)
Sister Elizabeth(6m)
He is John (3)

I did a search in the 1871 just on the off chance as he would be now 24
This might be him?
10 Overbury Street Public House
John(24) Head Licenced Victualler
Harriet (20) Wife
John (4M) Son

Then in the 1881 they are at 1 Overbury Street
John A(34) Head Licensed Victualler
Harriet(40) Wife
John A(10) Son
Thomas(8) Son
George F(6) Son
Gertrude F(3) Dua

In 1891 they are at 5 Overbury St
John A(48) Head Carter
Harriet M S (50) born Stockport
Thomas (19)
Gertrude F(14)
George (17) Butcher
Harold (10)
Mabel (12)


Hope this helps

Mike