Who was the UKs worst PM and why.

[Waterways]

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This is great! I wish they'd had this facility on The Scouse House! I could have ignored all the racist and neo-fascist no-marks on there.

How about putting yourself on the ignore list then.

[Waterways]

Well i remember so many dumps in Liverpool, i agree there. It is a little better since the 90's though.

I dunno why, they shouldn't but high earners of 80k can get loans too. It might as well be free for all like the NHS since it would have to be tax funded and the high earners would be paying taxes that go towards it

It is a difficult one. Sometimes putting in an admin to collect fee or taxes will bring in little or nothing. OK it make bring some employment, which may be one of the goals.

Yeah, Wilson was good, put higher taxes on the wealthy and help start the Open University.

Wilson was superb. He kept us out of Vietnam as well. He made the RAF buy the Harrier jump jet, which they did not want. Then the USA bought twice as many. The advanced jet would have disappeared only for him and no doubt we would have been buying them from the USA.

The active tilting train was developed by British Rail. After running it for a year Thatcher allowed BR to scrap the train. We have spent ?1.5 billion so far and it will be more, on importing Italian tilting trains based on the UK technology.

[captain kong]

I will say it again as you do, Read it slowly and inwardly digest

Where has all the manufacturing industry gone??? CHINA..
The pound is at its weekest. Two years ago I was getting A$2.49 to a pound in Australia, now today I will get A$1.58 to my pound.
in the USof A I was getting US$2.14 to my pound, now I get US$1.60 To my pound.
WHERE HAS MY MONEY GONE?????

And after all that the Country is Bancrupt and in the deepest debt in the History of Britain.
Provincial cities build `sky scrapers`. Hotels that are empty because no one can afford to stay in them. useless. why build useless Hotels when they should be building new houses for the people of this once great Nation.
Hereditary Peers all gone, It did not help me, Tony filled the Lords up with all his cronies. All bent and corrupt, all unelected. Is that democracy??
May as well have left it as it was, as having more unelected bent cronies.
No benefit to me and mine.
I would say that 3.7 million British people on benefit is an unemployment problem.
and all the Human Rights Laws have only helped the Criminals to hide behind.
Until then I never ever needed a human rights law.

So what you have said is still just a load Cr**.

[Bernie]

Yeah, Wilson was good, put higher taxes on the wealthy and help start the Open University.

I remember his speech when he devalued the pound. "The pound in your pocket will still be the same" Biggest lie ever from a politician.

[Ged]

So..................Answer.

They're all as bad as each other. You need a degree in being hard faced, finger pointing, side swerving, buck passing, brown nosing, feather nesting to even make the short list.

[Waterways]

I will say it again as you do,
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Kong, where have you been in the past 50 years? Manufacturing has been deliberately been directed to the Far East - Globalisation. Even Wilson got the RN to ship rebels in Indonesia to overthrow the regime in 1965 - to implement globalisation, manufacturing.

Have you heard of the Credit Crunch? If the government did not intervene there would have been soup lines.

You are on cloud whatever.

[Waterways]

I remember his speech when he devalued the pound. "The pound in your pocket will still be the same" Biggest lie ever from a politician.

Not a lie. The buying power in the UK was still the same. Devaluing was to make British goods competitive aboard and imported good less competitive.

Wilson put the economy right after the mess of Eden, McMillan.Home etc, who had no clue about how to get the UK economy back on track after the war and being heavily in debt to the USA.

The economy was just about right when Thatcher got in and Tories screwed it up all over again.

The biggest lie was McMillan's speech in 1958 when he said, "you have never had it so good". Half the country was in substandard housing. It showed how out of touch they were, or more likely they didn't give a toss about the working class. It was amazing, that people in slums believed him and voted them back in. All they had to do was look around them. BTW, I knew McMillan's daughter.

[A.D.W]

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

I have been told that you say am I a BNP supporter? That's neither here nor there, young street arab. How many wars have the BNP started in the last 12 years? How many innocent muslim lives have been wasted by the BNP during that last 12 years? How many people have been made unemployed because of the polices of the BNP during the past 12 years?

And...? And...? And...?

Go and boil your head, white boyo.

You'll remain on ignore, street arab boyo, because this forum would only desend into chaos if I started to 'debate' with ye. And I wouldn't want Kev's forum ruined.

[Waterways]

I have been told that you say am I a BNP supporter?

I thought you had me on ignore? Who is porkie telling?
You write that you are BNP fan.

That's neither here nor there, young street arab.
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Go and boil your head, white boyo.
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You'll remain on ignore, street arab boyo

More racism.

[dazza]

Nelville Chamberlain [although not on the list - I think he deserves to be] for pursuing the appeasement foreign policy with Nazi Germany, in spite of their continued commitment to increased militarisation. Britain was totally unprepared for war in 1939 when it came, and the outcome could have been much worse had America not been forced into the war in Dec. 1941.

[Waterways]

Nelville Chamberlain [although not on the list - I think he deserves to be] for pursuing the appeasement foreign policy with Nazi Germany, in spite of their continued commitment to increased militarisation. Britain was totally unprepared for war in 1939 when it came, and the outcome could have been much worse had America not been forced into the war in Dec. 1941.

Chamberlain was a tosser for sure. After the defeat of France, the Tory Lord Halifax was wanting peace with the Germans. The Labour Party would have nothing of it.

The UK was prepared for war in 1939. The army was fully motorised - men never marched unlike the Germans. Germany was not prepared. Germany was facing the might of the UK and France who collectively dwarfed Germany. French tanks were much superior to German tanks. The Germans could not knock out the UK's Matilda 2 tank.

The combined British and French economies was 60% larger than Germany's and Italy's. Germany hardly had a navy while the RN held an effective blockade of Germany. Germany won the battle of France because of allied incompetence rather than them being a wonderful military machine. They attacked the USSR without adequate fuel or materials and no reserves. By December 1941 the Soviets had tuned the Germans back at Moscow using the latest T-34 tanks, which the Germans had no match. 18 months before the Germans had been pegged at the battle of Britain and were going nowhere hoping for a miracle.

The US accelerated the wars end, not decide it. The economies of the UK and the USSR dwarfed that of Germany and the end result would only be defeat for Germany. Germany were doomed in even thinking of war.

[Samsette]

Waterways. It was not Harold Wilson that kept the British out of Viet Nam, but Britains position as co-chair,with the USSR, of the International Commission for Supervision and Control in Viet Nam. The ICSC was born out of the Geneva Agreements between Uncle Ho and the French Union, following Dien Bien Phu.

[dazza]

Quotes from Nelville Chamberlain, appeasement, and the British road to war, by Frank McDonough.

The UK was prepared for war in 1939. The army was fully motorised...

Really, I don't think so.

"It is clear that rearmament started too late and lacked the level of spending and the industrial capacity needed for an effective detterant to Germany. The navy depended on steel and shipbuilding, two industries deeply damaged by the depression....

The army was in an even worse position as the munitions factories had closed down after the first world war....By 1935 only one major company Vickers-Armstrong was still in business...

There was no quick fix to Britain's military weaknesses. This through a heavy burden on diplomacy to buy time and reduce tension...

[Under Chamberlain] the Inskip report was insular and defensive. It confirmed that army spending would remain the lowerest priority of all...

[As late as] October 1938 there wasn't even two fully equipped divisions to send anywhere...This meant that France would have to fight virtually alone at the onset of war.

The war office urged Chamberlain to create six divisions to aid France, but this proposal was rejected...

British policy was underpinned by real military preparations for war in late 1938, but Chamberlain still hoped war could be prevented by diplomacy..."

The combined British and French economies was 60% larger than Germany's and Italy's.

"In 1935, the Germany population was 67 million, compared with the British figure of 47 million. The chances of Britain winning an arms race was not very high...."

Germany hardly had a navy while the RN held an effective blockade of Germany.

"The actual preparations to defend British trade or for an economic blockade of Germany were practically non-existent. Between 1919 and 1939, not one single British naval exercise to prepare for merchant convoy protection against submarine or air attack ever took place."

The US accelerated the wars end, not decide it.

"[We were financially on our knees by] the end of 1940, US financial assistance was desparately required to sustain the British war effort..."

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Chamberlain still wins my vote, for worst PM - for his dithering, and long held grip on the security blanket of delusional appeasement, despite all evidence to the contrary from Germany. Another case against comfortable inaction [with apologies to JFK].

[RonnieW]

Waterways. It was not Harold Wilson that kept the British out of Viet Nam, but Britains position as co-chair,with the USSR, of the International Commission for Supervision and Control in Viet Nam. The ICSC was born out of the Geneva Agreements between Uncle Ho and the French Union, following Dien Bien Phu.

Wilson send British troops to Vietnam as advisers. The 'fortified village' sceme the US employed whereby whole village populations were moved into huge stockades, was a British idea and British officers who had fought against the Mau Mau went to Vietnam to help organise it. Mark Curtis has a couple of very good books dealing with Britain's underhand role in world politics since the last war. Both major parties have a truly awful record in dealing with dodgy regimes, supplying arms to repressive governments etc.

[Waterways]

Waterways. It was not Harold Wilson that kept the British out of Viet Nam, but Britains position as co-chair,with the USSR, of the International Commission for Supervision and Control in Viet Nam. The ICSC was born out of the Geneva Agreements between Uncle Ho and the French Union, following Dien Bien Phu.

The USA directly approached Wilson to commit troops. The Aussies did. The USA said they would not sanction IMF loans to the UK unless they dropped the TRS2 fighter/bomber - cheeky sods - as they did not want this to compete with their F-111, which the TRSR2 was superior although still needing development. Wilson dropped the TRS2. Naturally he never forgot and ignored them on Vietnam. This is all vox-pop info.