What's so great about Old Buildings?

[kevin]

Does that mean that buildings have no moral obligation? Developers are very often criticised for 'raping' the city, tearing down much-loved 'jewels', all and only for profit and gain. Do we really mean it's ok to savage the environment as long as the design is 'easy on the eye'? I think we do.

Don't agree at all - the things I mentioned were in the past and there's nothing we can do about them, so hating the buildings because of how they were built seems rather churlish.

Attitudes - hopefully - have moved on. Savaging the environment is never excusable.

[pablo42]

Well I for one love new buildings. Don't like the square boxes, but there are great new buildings spread around. Sadly there are too many that are poor to say the least.

[Waterways]

No it is not, its my opinion. Just cause I dont agree with you it dont make it silly.

To openly a broadly state that all new buildings are HORRIBLE is silly, just silly. The Liver Blgs received the same scorn when new, as did Oriel Chambers.

[Waterways]

half-understood theories as 'proof' of some half-baked notion or other

It is clear you comment on matters and don't know the basics of, not only that form firm opinions on - when you have been pointed to where the information is with easy explanations a number of times. You get like a stuck record refusing to believe what you have conditioned yourself to believe over the years.

[Waterways]

Well I for one love new buildings. Don't like the square boxes, but there are great new buildings spread around. Sadly there are too many that are poor to say the least.

Unfortunately all new buildings cannot be iconic as they do not have the site for it. Look at around Castle St. Many if the buildings were Victoria speculative buildings and were not meant to make a statement. The same can be said for Lord St/Church St, the post WW2 buildings. OK they replaced bombed buildings but they were still speculative and built to a price, as were the Victorian buildings.

Beetham East, Alex Tower, the museum and Unity are all good looking modern buildings, as wil be the black shapes at man Island. Brunswick Quay Tower could have been with us but the arrogant city thought the world was lining up to build in Liverpool and rejected it. Now they say high rises can be built there.

Brunswick Quay


This superb building built by a local man, would have been built by now if not rejected.

[pablo42]

The one thing that makes a city fantastic is diversity. I personnally love the art nouveau style of buildings and they are quite recent.

[petromax]

It is clear you comment on matters and don't know the basics of, not only that form firm opinions on - when you have been pointed to where the information is with easy explanations a number of times. You get like a stuck record refusing to believe what you have conditioned yourself to believe over the years.

You cannot begin to understand what any of us knows or doesn't know. I don't need to read screeds of other people's writing simply because you are either too lazy or are unable to put together a cogent argument of your own. At best, your mode of argument is idle and contemptuous.

I am already aware of most all the stuff you put up as your 'unexpected but magnificent findings'. You add nothing to this 'manna from heaven' but rather you take something away. I don't need to read it again with an extra gloss of tosh from you. It is clear that you either misconstrue or over-select the information you look at; you ignore any 'fact' that does not support your too-hastily formed opinion; and you have no respect for anyone else's point of view. This is no basis for reasoned and informed debate ie., it's half-arsed.

Oh, and by the way - please try to write in English, if at all.

[pablo42]

Unfortunately all new buildings cannot be iconic as they do not have the site for it. Look at around Castle St. Many if the buildings were Victoria speculative buildings and were not meant to make a statement. The same can be said for Lord St/Church St, the post WW2 buildings. OK they replaced bombed buildings but they were still speculative and built to a price, as were the Victorian buildings.

Beetham East, Alex Tower, the museum and Unity are all good looking modern buildings, as wil be the black shapes at man Island. Brunswick Quay Tower could have been with us but the arrogant city thought the world was lining up to build in Liverpool and rejected it. Now they say high rises can be built there.

Brunswick Quay


This superb building built by a local man, would have been built by now if not rejected.

Now I think that's a great building.

[petromax]

...This superb building built by a local man, would have been built by now if not rejected.[/SIZE][/I][/B]

Ian Simpson Architect, "was born and brought up in Manchester. He studied architecture at Liverpool Polytechnic and after he completed his studies he left to work in London with Foster and Parters". More latterly, he worked for 'design gurus' (not) BDP in Manchester and he has a penthouse flat there being the whole top floor of the Beetham Tower; often referred to as "Manchester's Architect". Local indeed.

The Beetham Tower is a rip-off of a tower of French Architect Dominic Perrault designed in the 80s which itself was based on Christmas/Easter island figures. This design for Brunswick Tower is typical of his borrowed and simplistic 'one idea' approach (coo, it looks like a wind surfer - how appropriate! - it's by a river you know) and adds nothing to the immediate surroundings (the effect on the immediate micro-climate would have been disastrous and the landscaping is monstrous) or the immediate neighbourhood. Also, it would have nailed forever the Brunswick Dock gates.

It is not as slim and elegant as this view suggests. In fact it would have been a bit of a fat b*stard (have you seen the plans??). Worse still, at such a height, it would have been in the wrong place; detracting as it would have from the natural centre of gravity and general composition of the waterfront at the Pier Head and the [recently adopted and] carefully considered guidelines designed to protect it. Apart from that...!

[pablo42]

Have you two got something going on?

[Ged]

I'm not a great fan of that. It looks like the wing of a very big plane has fell off and planted itself into the ground. Has anyone ever seen the crude top floor extension to an old building on North John St, Sacrilege.

[pablo42]

I'm not a great fan of that. It looks like the wing of a very big plane has fell off and planted itself into the ground. Has anyone ever seen the crude top floor extension to an old building on North John St, Sacrilege.

Where is that Ged? When me camera comes I'll take a photie.

[Ged]

On North John street - just look up. A modern square box on an otherwise interesting building like most are in that area.

[pablo42]

On North John street - just look up. A modern square box on an otherwise interesting building like most are in that area.

When me camera comes I'll be there. Unless Joe beats me there.

[kevin]

To openly a broadly state that all new buildings are HORRIBLE is silly, just silly.

More or less silly than your grammar? We all make mistakes when posting to forums but you seem to be turning it into an art form.