Hello mikerux, yes I must know you , but just cant put a face to your name, by the way what was your wifes maiden name? and it was me who took Les Chadwick to join Gerry and the Pacemakers , as I was supposed to have joined them , but I was playing with another band and didnt like letting them down so I took Les along to Gerries, and as they say the rest is history, the story of my life !! although we didnt do to bad as we went into the musical Maggie May, our manager at the time was Alun Williams( the man who gave the Beatles away ha ha ) Oh so many memories cheers Keith.