Are the Irish getting remembered?

[shoney]

The Welsh do not make enough fuss about their culture. People do not give the Welsh much recognition. Many people, particularly the younger generation in this city, are not even aware of the Welsh connection in Liverpool.
The Welsh are very important to this city.




... any way ... why can't we just be proud of being SCOUSE ???

I am a liverpool girl through and through.

it's because of our "superiority complex " that was discussed a few weeks ago, not many people can cope with the idea that they might not be completely from liverpool and it is not seen as cool to have a connection with another area, i don't know about anybody else but when i was a kid people from anywhere else just absolutely fascinated me because they were different and not like me, they still do to an extent

[lindylou]

ran it by a few of my glasgow friends , they've never heard of it, they are catholics and protestants combined it IS a big saying here amongst ex-merchant seaman when asked where do they come from they reply "the capital of ireland... liverpool"

yes, but just as many people say 'capital of north Wales'

[shoney]

yes, but just as many people say 'capital of north Wales'

I do accept that, i've never heard it said , but I know many who have massive roots in north wales

[lindylou]

it's because of our "superiority complex " that was discussed a few weeks ago, not many people can cope with the idea that they might not be completely from liverpool and it is not seen as cool to have a connection with another area, i don't know about anybody else but when i was a kid people from anywhere else just absolutely fascinated me because they were different and not like me, they still do to an extent

I love other cultures too and I have had a lot of connections with Liverpool's Caribbean community.

My ex's family are from Guyana - but he was a Scouse lad born here.

There are lots of other people from lots of different cultures, with lots of history, and connections with Liverpool. Why single out one body of people ?

Let's just get on with celebrating our Scouseness too.

[Waterways]

It is a known fact that Senior members of The Orange Order all around the world not only in Liverpool do not come from just Working Class Areas.

In Liverpool ALL the Orange Order lodges are in working class areas and always were. The educated middle class never wanted to know. The Orange Order in Liverpool is dying out too. I only know Liverpool, so I can't speak for other places.

[Waterways]

ran it by a few of my glasgow friends , they've never heard of it, they are catholics and protestants combined it IS a big saying here amongst ex-merchant seaman when asked where do they come from they reply "the capital of ireland... liverpool"

Glasgow's population is predominantly of Irish decent. Liverpool's is not.

[Ged]

Regarding the Irish influence. There are a few good books by Mike Kelly, one of them on the Liverpool Irish.






Liverpool's Irish Connection is a fascinating collection of Liverpool-Irish biographies. The book includes chapters dedicated to Nurse Agnes Jones, Michael James Whitty, James Muspratt, Percy French, Patrick (Dandy Pat) Byrne and James William Carling.

"Michael Kelly's writing is driven by love of his native Liverpool, which reaches back to his ancestral Ireland. In this collection of short biographies, Michael becomes the friend of his subjects, rather than a mere researcher. He writes of them because he is one of them, an Irish Liverpudlian in the grand old tradition."
(David Charters, Liverpool Daily Post)

ISBN 13: 9780955485404 | ISBN 10: 0955485401


Regarding a local history heritage centre on Scotland Road.

Ron Formby of www.scottiepress.org has for some years been trying to secure the old bank building near St. Anthony's Church for this purpose which would include a section for the Irish of which over 2,300 are buried in the Church and its grounds.

Herewith also an email i've received recently from Ron in his efforts.


I am looking to locate historic images of the Liverpool Irish in the Scotland Road area in support of the Scottie Press efforts to have the history, heritage and culture of the Scotland Road area included in the Liverpool Irish Festival 2008. Anyone who has photos or other memorablia that they feel might be able to assist this work can contact me on 0151 482 2000 or email ronformby@scottiepress.org


----- Original Message -----
From: Liverpool Irish Festival
To: ron formby
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject: Liverpool Irish Images

Hi Ron

Would you have historic images of the Liverpool Irish, in particular on Scotland Road that might be used on display or as a back drop at an event?

I hope you are well.

Anna

Anna Gilbert
Festival Director

[shoney]

Glasgow's population is predominantly of Irish decent. Liverpool's is not.

check the phone book and tell me its not

[Ged]

O'Really?

[shoney]

O'Really?

to be sure

[Waterways]

The Welsh do not make enough fuss about their culture. People do not give the Welsh much recognition. Many people, particularly the younger generation in this city, are not even aware of the Welsh connection in Liverpool. They only ever hear about the Irish connection.
The Welsh are very important to this city.

... any way ... why can't we just be proud of being SCOUSE ???

I am a liverpool girl through and through. Lets just bang the drum for our own Scouseness for a change.

(by the way, I don't have Welsh roots, but I am just speaking up for them)

The ex-pat Irish shout about their identity wherever they are. Look at Chicago!!! The English do not and neither do the Welsh. The Welsh have far more influence in Liverpool than the Irish - fact!!! The districts they built are proof of that.

What amazes me is that a myth has built up that Liverpool people are predominantly of Irish decent, even by the locals. Look at this thread. I am a bigot for telling the truth. Laughable!

I find it even more laughable that the city should organise an Irish festival of some kind as if Irish culture predominates the city - which it certainly does not. As I said, the first time I heard Diddly-dee music was in London. The first time I came across lots of Irish people was in London. We just never had them living around us.

[shoney]

The ex-pat Irish shout about their identity wherever they are. Look at Chicago!!! The English do not and neither do the Welsh. The Welsh have far more influence in Liverpool than the Irish - fact!!! The districts they built are proof of that.

What amazes me is that a myth has built up that Liverpool people are predominantly of Irish decent, even by the locals. Look at this thread. I am a bigot for telling the truth. Laughable!

I find it even more laughable that the city should organise an Irish festival of some kind as if Irish culture predominates the city - which it certainly does not. As I said, the first time I heard Diddly-dee music was in London. The first time I came across lots of Irish people was in London. We just never had them living around us.

I have a problem here with people who say they ARE irish when they are ONLY from Irish descent, there are many many people in liverpool from irish descent but not many irish, exactly like it is in boston.

[Waterways]

Regarding the Irish influence. There are a few good books by Mike Kelly, one of them on the Liverpool Irish.

As a kid I would hear on TV about the Liverpool Irish. I wondered who they were, where they lived, what they did and what they looked like. Later I found there was no such group of people - as there was say the Liverpool Chinese, a group who have a firm identity, sub-culture and live a specific place in the city. This Liverpool Irish was probably invented by someone living in Surrey.

I think they may have have meant someone born in Ireland and living in Liverpool, which meant precious few.

[molly]

As I said, the first time I heard Diddly-dee music was in London. The first time I came across lots of Irish people was in London. We just never had them living around us.

If you think you are so well educated about your facts and who and what lived around you perhaps you could educate yourself in proper English when talking about Irish Music instead of using the words Diddly Dee.

[Ged]

And the Scottie press's tribute and recognition to the Welsh.

http://www.scottiepress.org/projects/welsh.htm

How many of you know of this plaque?