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Quote Originally Posted by Jericho View Post
One of the main errors that some historians make is where they over-extrapolate from a source. So a sign/map/church board with the term Toxteth Park on it is heralded as prooving that such a place meaningfully existed or even continues to exist.

People on this thread have drawn attention to how churches have used the term Toxteth Park to describe where they are situated but this is far from universal practice. For example, St Michaels (CofE) half way between Dingle Lane and Jericho Lane doesn't use this term nor does St Charles (RC) just over half way between Dingle Lane and Aigburth Vale.QUOTE]


From Diocese of Liverpool web site

http://www.liverpool.anglican.org/pa...ishparisht.htm

Toxteth Park Christ Church
Linnet Lane, Liverpool
Parish No 616

Toxteth Park St Agnes & St Pancras
Buckingham Avenue, Liverpool
Parish No 617

Toxteth Park St Michael In The Hamlet With St Andrew
St Michael In The Hamlet, Liverpool
Parish No 618

St Andrew closed in the 1970s I believe. If you go into St Michael's Church, you'll find a large banner which proudly states " St Andrews Toxteth" I have a number of bits of modern literature from St Michael's in the Hamlet Church which clearly state they believe they are in Toxteth Park, not least a parish map from about 2005.

I don't don't the locals don't believe they live in Toxteth, they wrongly think they are in Aigburth. However wishing and reality are not the same.
So the modern CofE uses the term Toxteth Park to denote a particular area. Early in the last century someone using contemporary records produced this list:

http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.u...n/churches.htm

No mention of Toxteth Park in that one! How does your explanation account for St Charles' church on Aigburth Road lacking any affiliation with Toxteth Park? When St Michaels church was built, this area was not part of Liverpool at all. St Michaels in the Hamlet saw itself as precisely that, a hamlet. No mention of Toxteth Park. Locals can say that they live in St Michaels in the Hamlet. There is a sign to it from Aigburth Road and it has its own train station (St Michaels). Not a sign to Toxteth Park to be seen anywhere!

People from outside of L17 seem to think that people who live between Dingle Lane / Aigburth vale say that they live in Aigburth out of some kind of snobbery. This is not correct. Local custom which in my mind is every bit as valid as Church custom informs locals that this is Aigburth. The area as a whole knocks Aigburth proper for six in terms of the quality of its architecture, urban environment, life-style choices, restaurants etc. - so to all intents and purposes real class is to be found north of the vale and not south of it!



I don't care if some Toxteth fanatics see all this area as Toxteth Park. If it makes them happy, good luck to them. Anyone who knows this area or anyone who lives in it knows that it's a special area whatever it's called. No one outside of toxteth.net devotees calls this area Toxteth Park and Toxteth.net isn't exactly the most accurate of sites. If I live to be a hundred years or more I don't think I would ever meet anyone from Alwyn Street, Ivanhoe Road or Fulwood Road who claimed that they live in Toxteth Park. There's nothing wrong with Toxteth Park. (Parks and Heaths are sprouting up all over the place in south Liverpool at the moment). It just doesn't seem meaningful to me to use a term to describe an area that no one who lived in that area would actually use.