Are the Irish getting remembered?

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Originally Posted by Waterways

As a kid I would hear on TV about the Liverpool Irish. I wondered who they were, where they lived, what they did and what they looked like. Later I found there was no such group of people - as there was say the Liverpool Chinese, a group who have a firm identity, sub-culture and live a specific place in the city. This Liverpool Irish was probably invented by someone living in Surrey.

I think they may have have meant someone born in Ireland and living in Liverpool, which meant precious few.

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so you reckon that there was never a large influx of irish people spread over a large space of time that settled in liverpool, regardless of whether they stuck together and associated with each other or not ?

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Originally Posted by shoney

I have a problem here with people who say they ARE irish when they are ONLY from Irish descent, there are many many people in liverpool from irish descent but not many irish, exactly like it is in boston.

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..and like mine the Irish connection is tentative and far, far from 100%... and like mine goes back to the famine which is now a long, long time ago. I have no connection with Ireland. I know of no relatives over there. I'm sure if I have any it would be impossible to find them. My family did nothing that was typically of Irish culture, neither did anyone living around us.

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Originally Posted by Ged

And the Scottie press's tribute and recognition to the Welsh.

http://www.scottiepress.org/projects/welsh.htm

How many of you know of this plaque?

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The "Welsh community". They melted in like the rest. And the Welsh were everywhere.

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Originally Posted by shoney

so you reckon that there was never a large influx of irish people spread over a large space of time that settled in liverpool, regardless of whether they stuck together and associated with each other or not ?

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Read what I wrote. :-)

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Originally Posted by Waterways

..and like mine the Irish connection is tentative and far, far from 100%... and like mine goes back to the famine which is now a long, long time ago. I have no connection with Ireland. I know of no relatives over there. I'm sure if I have any it would be impossible to find them. My family did nothing that was typically of Irish culture, neither did anyone living around us.

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however long ago they are still from irish descent, even if there is no connection presently, as I reckon a lot of liverpool is, which goes back to the original q that would the irish be be getting remembered, as there were a lot of irish that broke their backs to get liverpool on the map in the last few hundred years

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Originally Posted by molly

If you think you are so well educated about your facts and who and what lived around you perhaps you could educate yourself in proper English when talking about Irish Music instead of using the words Diddly Dee.

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We call that sort of Irish music "Diddly-dee" as that is how it sounds. diddly-dee, diddly-dee, diddly-dee, etc.

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Originally Posted by Waterways

We call that sort of Irish music "Diddly-dee" as that is how it sounds. diddly-dee, diddly-dee, diddly-dee, etc.

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It doesn't to me. Mind you, I appreciate music.

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Originally Posted by Gnomie

For the racist above

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You are the one attempting push the culture of another race upon us.

<snip irrelevant stuff about the Irish famine - which I already knew>

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Originally Posted by Waterways

We call that sort of Irish music "Diddly-dee" as that is how it sounds. diddly-dee, diddly-dee, diddly-dee, etc.

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Well said.

:handclap::handclap::handclap:

Shows how educated you really are...... Sad person.

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Originally Posted by shoney

however long ago they are still from irish descent, even if there is no connection presently, as I reckon a lot of liverpool is, which goes back to the original q that would the irish be be getting remembered, as there were a lot of irish that broke their backs to get liverpool on the map in the last few hundred years

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My point is we should recognise the famine and the city's reluctant role in it. NOT celebrate Irish culture as if the Irish were the predominant influence on the city. They just clearly were not.

And for those who think Liverpudlians are all of Irish connection somewhere, we are just clearly not.

I don't think that is anybody's intention here Waterways. Yo Liverpool is a Forum where people can have their say, Most of the time we all agree but don't you think it would be somewhat boring if we agreed all the time.
Occasionally it's wise to stand back and agree to differ. I have listened to many valid points being made during the 'Irish' debate. Points both empirical and moral.

In the last analysis we are Scousers or people who are akin to Scousers and want to be on this Forum.

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Originally Posted by molly

Well said.

:handclap::handclap::handclap:

Shows how educated you really are...... Sad person.

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That is how it sounds, diddly-dee. Educated? Is an honours degree good enough?

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Originally Posted by Waterways

My point is we should recognise the famine and the city's reluctant role in it. NOT celebrate Irish culture as if the Irish were the predominant influence on the city. They just clearly were not.

And for those who think Liverpudlians are all of Irish connection somewhere, we are just clearly not.

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predominant or not, who cares? they DID play an important role just like in 200 years time the polish will probably be remembered for the part they played in getting the city ready for the CoC

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Originally Posted by Waterways

That is how it sounds, diddly-dee. Educated? Is an honours degree good enough?

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Not in your use of language it isnt.

Bora da, boyo.

I have the Welsh in me as well as a fair mix of the English.

Hurrah!

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