Are the Irish getting remembered?

Okee Dokee.

But I still want that recipe

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Originally Posted by Gerry

We all know what floats on Waterways:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Graceful yachts.

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Originally Posted by molly

Then why come across as racist to the Irish?

I haven't.

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Originally Posted by lindylou

That's exactly it though Molly :PDT_Aliboronz_11: .. if you read back thru' the posts was stated that there are so many nationalities and cultures, ie; all the ones we have mentioned - and more. So therefor, why single out one group of people ? Surely everyone has equal rights to be recognised?

In that case, where would it end !! :shock: :) we wouldn't be able to move for statues and plaques ( I'm sayiang that tongue in cheek) :unibrow:

.. and heaven forbid if we missed anyone out :shock:

There are just so many peoples to be remembered. How do you prioritise one over another ?

I dont know how you prioritise one group over another, but what I do know is that there ARE alot of Irish people living in Liverpool, including members of my own family, and some very close friends with Irish ancestory.

Waterways was being very racist and bigoted towards the Irish and their music and as a member of this forum I have the right reply.

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Originally Posted by Gnomie

When idiots come out with crap about a group they do not like

You are very confused.

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Originally Posted by molly

Waterways was being very racist and bigoted towards the Irish and their music

Where?

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Originally Posted by Waterways

Where?

I think Molly is remembering your Diddly Dee comments.

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the Irish are still rocking :PDT_Piratz_26:

Problems with racists is that they dont or cant see where they are being racist.

Discussion ended.

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Originally Posted by Max

Don't see how Waterways Is bigoted, he hasn't made any blantant Insults towards any Irish.

He just has views that may sound harsh to some.

Also trying to see what the objection is to what Waterways has said. Can you point it out?

Chris

Waterways I thought I was bad but you take the P***.

If people of Irish descent want to celebrate Irish culture what is the problem?

Gnomie never said they were the only ethnic group in Merseyside and he has said if other groups wish to celebrate their identitites he has no problem with that.

Your vehemence against the Irish seems to have a sectarian air about reminiscent of Orange order protests against any Catholic or Irish event.

Waterways, such comments can be extremely hurtful. A member of my family danced in Riverdance with Michael Flatley and took Irish music all over the world. Again, a member of Molly's family won the all Ireland Irish dancing championship. No mean achievement and she has medals by the score but is not ostentacious with them.
I myself have played Irish music on mandolin, banjo and guitar in many country's and I can assure you that while it may not :- be yer cuppa tea
It's far from being Diddly Dee

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Originally Posted by Libertarian

Wouldn't it be brilliant if there was a museum of Irish history on the site where the best way is. Imagine a stunning piece of architecture there as you drove into the city with a park.

:handclap::handclap::handclap::handclap:

Well said

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Originally Posted by Waterways

If you want Irish history go to Dublin - they will tell you. The famine and the city's role in it, yes of course - but no Irish parades. that is for the Irish to do. And as we don't have many I don't see it happening.

If the city has a day for the Irish we should have one for the Welsh too.

No need to go to Dublin, plenty of Irish history here in LIverpool

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Originally Posted by Gnomie

:handclap::handclap::handclap::handclap:

Well said

Think of what the Mancs did in salford quays with the Lowry art gallery and the idea does not seem so farfetched.

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Originally Posted by Steven

Waterways, such comments can be extremely hurtful. A member of my family danced in Riverdance with Michael Flatley and took Irish music all over the world. Again, a member of Molly's family won the all Ireland Irish dancing championship. No mean achievement and she has medals by the score but is not ostentacious with them.
I myself have played Irish music on mandolin, banjo and guitar in many country's and I can assure you that while it may not :- be yer cuppa tea
It's far from being Diddly Dee

I have the tape made in Radio City music hall New York with Michael Flatley, I also have the one with Colin Dunne this is the one I prefer. To those who don't know, neither one are Irish, Flatley is American of Irish dscent and Dunne is from Birmingham of Irish descent.

i just thought i would share this with you. i was born in liverpool,(i live in north wales) i have manx,irish,mancs,jewish, and carlisle blood in me and i am proud of every last little drop running through my veins. and i thank every one of my family and ancestors for making me what i am today.
debbie

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Originally Posted by Gnomie

No need to go to Dublin, plenty of Irish history here in LIverpool

The famine mainly. Not much else.

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Originally Posted by Waterways

The famine mainly. Not much else.

Whats that, no still no good I cant hear any of that Shoite :)

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Originally Posted by Waterways

The famine mainly. Not much else.

This post is clearly intent on trying to stir things up. Even a cretin like this idiot knows there is a lot more Irish culture here.

Up to you people, let him carry on mouthing it or ignore the fool

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Originally Posted by Gnomie

Whats that, no still no good I cant hear any of that Shoite :)

HaHa the cuss monitor lets you swear in an Irish accent.:handclap:

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Originally Posted by shytalk

HaHa the cuss monitor lets you swear in an Irish accent.:handclap:

Course is Feckin does if yer foind away around it .http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r.../finger010.gif

Wait 'til Kev comes in and sees this lot - the length of this debate I mean ! Ha! :D

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Originally Posted by shytalk

I have the tape made in Radio City music hall New York with Michael Flatley, I also have the one with Colin Dunne this is the one I prefer. To those who don't know, neither one are Irish, Flatley is American of Irish dscent and Dunne is from Birmingham of Irish descent.

Good dancers, though. :PDT11

I hope we can simmer down on this thread and all be friends.

I think Gnomie brings up an excellent point that the history of the Irish immigrants to Liverpool is not being given the mention in the current festivities it merits. I hope something can be done. Possibly by making sure that the contributions of Liverpool Irish like Kitty Wilkinson and 'Dandy' Pat Byrne are remembered is the way to help spread the word about the role of the Irish in Liverpool. Glad to see also that Ged is helping Ron Formby gather photographs for the Irish Festival as he reported a few days ago:

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Originally Posted by Ged

I am helping Ron Formby locate historic images of the Liverpool Irish in the Scotland Road area in support of the Scottie Press efforts to have the history, heritage and culture of the Scotland Road area included in the Liverpool Irish Festival 2008. Anyone who has photos or other memorablia that they feel might be able to assist this work can contact Ron on 0151 482 2000 or email ronformby@scottiepress.org

Cheers,

Ged.

Of course it can be argued that "official Liverpool" is not doing enough to celebrate the role of the Irish in Liverpool's heritage, and that's probably so. But it might be said, conceivably, about a number of the groups that make up Liverpool, isn't that so?

Chris

I guess we have to be a little careful as those claiming Irish heritage are often derided as 'Plastic Paddys'.

Proud of my Irish (and other) heritage, but don't make a song and dance about it.
:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

I must admit, I am quite surprised by a few of the stated statistics on here ....
When I arrived in Liverpool (15ish years ago) I was greeted by many an Irish accent, and St Paddy's day here was like nowhere else in the UK.

That, coupled with a few of the (non statistical) books I have read a bit of about the history of Liverpool lead me to believe that the Irish contingent was quite large.

I've no reason to doubt the substantial contribution of other groups (the many Welsh built properties around where I live are significant evidence) ..... however, in the last 15 years I have accumulated several Irish friends, live next door to an Irishman and managed to meet a grand total of 0 Welsh people.

This isn't to deny any past contributions from others - purely my experiences to date, and possibly why I believed the Liverpool/Irish link was stronger than suggested by some (naming no names, Burnsey) on here.

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Originally Posted by Steven

Well said :handclap::handclap::handclap: I can't say I have many Argentinian friends (yet) I was in the Falklands and badly hurt. Pensioned off into teaching in 1982, but that's another story.

sorry to hear that Steven.

One of my friends, living in Buenos Aires provincia, I have been in contact with since 1980.
The other friend who lives in Rosario, has been to UK and stayed in L'pool on for 6 months a few years ago.

You know, like all wars, it's the powers that be that instigate the conflict, and oftentimes the ordinary man in the street has no pesonal grudge against the 'enemy'

When we had the Falklands conflict, never once did my Argentinian friends say a bad word about the British ( well not to my face any way !! ) :ninja:

.. and I never said a bad word to them about their countrymen either. My friends told me that, at the time there was no anti-British feeling among the ordinary Argentinian families.

We continued our friendship and we went on corresponding as though our countries were not at war.

My Argentinian friends love Liverpool in particular, and at one point it was arranged for two groups of school kids - one group from Buenos aires - the other from Liverpool - to communicate. The kids were made up.

So You see there isn't always an 'anti ' feeling between ordinary folk.

it makes you realise what a shame it is when war is foisted upon us.

ps,

funny thing is - on one of my first holidays in southern Spain we got talking to a couple who were on the same coach trip as us, and guess what - they turned out to be from Bs As. ( There must be something about me and Argentina) :) :)

Self appointed Hitman Steven steps in at this stage to calm this thread down.

Don't forget, I am ex- SBS !

Rules

1. Be nice to each other or I will twist yer Teddy's arms.

2. Respect each others views or I will not put yer dummys/soothers back in yer prams.

3. Yer all *Born again Scousers* here >>> No matter where you come from.

4. I have a punishment schedule waiting for anybody who breaks these rules.

5. Too cruel to put on here > you will have to Pm me.

6. No nappies/diapers will will changed for two weeks unless you behave.

This is an ORDER

AMEN... PEACE TO ALL ...

... and d'ya know what .... I love the way Max comes in as cool as a cucumber - he's so level headed and unruffled. :PDT11

( Max came in a few pages back !) :handclap:

I like the way Max is so laid back.

I blame RINGO STARR !! I am a utopian :PDT_Aliboronz_24: who was it who said 'The Irish should forget their history, and the English should remember it!' Just read a battalion of Irish fought for Franco in the Spanish Civil War, the Blue Shirts. In Kung Fu once Master Po said 'If you live in the past, you rob the future' :PDT_Aliboronz_24: Make love not war

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Originally Posted by verdi

I blame RINGO STARR !! I am a utopian :PDT_Aliboronz_24: who was it who said 'The Irish should forget their history, and the English should remember it!' Just read a battalion of Irish fought for Franco in the Spanish Civil War, the Blue Shirts. In Kung Fu once Master Po said 'If you live in the past, you rob the future' :PDT_Aliboronz_24: Make love not war

But sure didnt ya all know the Irish way of making love - by fighting.

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Originally Posted by Ben

This isn't to deny any past contributions from others - purely my experiences to date,

You haven't been in Liverpool long enough.

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Originally Posted by Gnomie

knows there is a lot more Irish culture here.

I'm at a loss to what apart from themed Irish pubs playing diddly-dee music that could be in Munich.

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Originally Posted by verdi

I blame RINGO STARR !!

The only one of the Beatles that had no Irish blood in him whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Ben

I must admit,

Ben, as my No. 1 fan I think you are fab! Keep up the adoration.

The Liverpool Céilí Band - downloads

MASTER McDERMOTTS - MORNING MIST - MARTIN WYNNE reels
THE PIPER THROUGH THE MEADOW STRAYING set dance
THE JACKETS GREEN - THE CLANS - THE OLD CROSS - KELLY THE BOY FROM KILLANE marches
THE BUSH ON THE HILL - THE LONESOME JIG - SACKOWS jigs
THE FAIRY QUEEN - THE WONDER hornpipes

Diddly-dee :rolleyes:

God, Im scared to go on this thread but Phil Redmond recently attended the Irish Centre which is now at St Michaels Church Hall on West Derby Road a couple of weeks ago. (the local priest allowed the Irish Community to use it after the Wellington Rooms Irish Centre closed) Phil opened a room dedicated to Irish Literature and History. This Centre holds many cultural events and some are themed around the capital of culture. The dancers and singers who use this venue have performed at a number of events relating to the capital of culture. They are probably too low key to get much attention but they are there.

Im going now as I am a woman and dont wish to be shouted at. Too much testosterone on this site.......................I dont care how many communites have festivals; thats fine by me but as previously noted, we have long standing swedish, polish, nigerian, african, jamaican chinese communities and of course the Welsh. Indeed, a world in one city. Good for all of us

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Originally Posted by Partsky

Indeed, a world in one city. Good for all of us

And a city in one world.

I've been to well over 100 different countries and you'd be amazed at how many fellow scousers I've met.

Went to Australia in 1980 - Adelaide - and the first guy I met was from County Road, Walton. As I spent the first two years of my life in Makin Street, off County Road, it was one hell of a coincidence.

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Originally Posted by Waterways

Ben, as my No. 1 fan I think you are fab! Keep up the adoration.

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Originally Posted by Ben

I must admit,

How come you only quoted the beginning of my sentence? ..... The above quote/response doesn't make sense? Care to elaborate?

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Originally Posted by Waterways

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Originally Posted by Ben

This isn't to deny any past contributions from others - purely my experiences to date,

You haven't been in Liverpool long enough.

I think I have been here long enough to pass on my opinions.
To tell you the truth, I believe anyone has the right to pass on opinions - whether they have been here 5 minutes or 50 years.
The problem arises when people try to claim they are the authority on a subject that is in itself open to debate.

Anyway ...back to the subject in question?

(not the first, and probably not the last time that has had to be said to you .....)