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Chippie-
No problem
Ged-
Yeah, it's a good film. Good to see that they used a lot of the actual dialogue that was in the trial transcription (with the exception of Mrs. Johnston using the phrase "Julia would go mad if she saw this" - (it was actually Wallace who said it) but I suppose I'm grabbing at straws!! As you say, great film though - very atmospheric.
I love this thread
I finished reading a book on the case last week (the name escapes me! is it 'who killed julia wallace?' by Murphy?)
I decided to take a little drive at the weekend in the vicinity of Wolverton Street....
It gave me a strange feeling being outside number 29...very eerie....
I will deffo get a copy of that DVD as I have been dying to see it for years! thanks for the great link!
If the book you read is by Murphy it is The Murder of Julia Wallace. Jonathan Goodman wrote the book The Killing of Julia Wallace. I watched The Man From The Pru for the umpteenth time last night! I recently managed to get access to the Wallace Case File at Merseyside Police. Some interesting material amongst it. I hope to write a book on the case. In fact I have been for nigh on two years!
Mark
Good luck with that venture Mark. I'll look forward to reading it. Anything juicy in those files then, can there be anything new? Has Mr Slemen gone quite on his claims or does he have a book to be written. If it's all a re-hash but just with added self opnion at the end, then it might be no better than this thread. I'd like to see a comprehensive list of facts with fors and againsts of why the author is coming to that conclusion.
Hi Ged
The file seems somewhat incomplete which is a disappointment. I suppose anything that old is certainly going to lose pieces of it (with World War II) and all that. Yes, I agree with you regarding Tom Slemen's book (re: the Johnstons). I know he told me a few years ago that some very odd things happened in the Johnstons house after the murder. Don't know what he means about that to be honest - (and where he got the information). I'm not sure whether he means on the murder night or afterwards. If he does mean afterwards he must be referring to 358 Townsend Avenue. The Johnstons moved there the next day.
I didn't know that Mark. Was it a move that was on the cards anyway and it was just a remarkable co-incidence that it came about next day or did the murder next door influence the move either because they felt spooked, in danger or had something to hide? How easy was it to move just like that, was it from and to a private landlord for instance?
it must have been quite exciting to actually have access to the file....would love to read your book....Quote:
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Hi Ged & DaisyChains
Yes apparently the Johnstons moved the next day. I have always tended to think that maybe they were spooked like you say. Surely if they were guilty of the murder they wouldn't want to make it look suspicious as in moving away. But who knows? Maybe panic? The police didn't seem to investigate the Johnstons at all (as suspects). 358 Townsend Avenue was the home of their eldest daughter.
The file was quite interesting yes. No statements of Parry's though...The photographs of Julia on the mortuary slab are quite disturbing.
Mark
A couple of the books i've read are lacking photos of the areas surrounding the case which you have an ample supply of. They'd certainly enhance any publication.
I agree with you Ged.Quote:
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There are alot of descriptions of the places around Wolverton Street but not many pics.
I love the pic of the telephone box...that's a true gem :)
HI MARKQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark R
how did you go about ordering this film?
Ive been on the website but can't see an order form!
:)hiya gedQuote:
Originally Posted by Ged
where did you get your copy from?:)
Like furniture moving around by itself perhaps? :unibrow: :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark R
I taped the film off Channel 4 many moons ago.Quote:
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Yes that's great, Mark, that you gained access to the Wallace Case File at Merseyside Police. I bet that was fascinating. I do wish you the best with your book project. I look forward to getting a signed copy. :unibrow:Quote:
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I have a VHS tape of The Man From The Pru -- last time I checked it's not available on DVD. In fact I think it is still not on DVD if you look at the symbols for the flick on the Internet Movie Database. I believe I got my copy of the videotape on ebay as I recall.
Chris
Tried to email you back Daisy but it came back to me as 'undeliverable'.
Thanks Chris, Ged & DaisyChain
I wrote to the company (Liverpool Artistes) and ordered it through the post directly from them. Is the address on their site? If not, I'll have a look through my records and see if I can get the address.
The film was actually filmed in Wolverton Street (not at number 29 though). The company saw that number 10 was being renovated and they used that instead! Rob Rohrer (the director) actually originates from Anfield and he said he always wanted to do a movie version. Allison Daly (who plays the young girl Vicky Foster in the film) was actually 17 but played the part of a 12 year old. Allison ended up working for...wait for it...the company that originally defended Wallace and known as; Herbert J Davis, Berthen & Munro! The tram scenes used in the film were filmed in Fleetwood.
I hope that Who Killed Julia Wallace? will one day be shown again. This was made by Yorkshire TV in 1975 and screened October 29th 1975. If I am right it was shown again in the early 80's. They actually shot in the Anfield area. Very good show but I didn't agree with the outcome.
Mark
So if there are no statements from Parry in the case files where did James Murphy see his statement?
Thanks Mark.Quote:
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Interesting info.
I will write to the company. Seems a bit neanderthal when they have a website, but no email! But I am desperate to see the film so I shall...
Best of luck with the book!:)
Hi DaisyChains
Here's the contact details (in case you don't know them):
LIVERPOOL ARTISTES P.O. BOX 61 LIVERPOOL L13 OEF
CONTACT US: 0789 606 1382.
Hi Steve
Yes, I am trying to find out where the Parry, Young & Marsden statements are.
Hiya MarkQuote:
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Thanks for looking into that. Did you send your payment when you wrote off?
I sent off a cheque. I asked them how much it was first (I think it was £10 + £1 p&p). The picture is good quality.
Good luck with that!
Mark
Thanks MarkQuote:
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I am sending off today!
Have you started writing the book yet?
Hi DaisyChains
Yes, I've been scribbling things down amid researching the case. I would also hope to include as many photographs as possible. I have quite an extensive range.
Mark
Brilliant.
I'm sure it will sell really well
Thanks for that. I hope to be able to get a copy of the Radio City broadcast from 20th January 1981 (Roger Wilkes) programme Who Killed Julia? I remember it being on the radio many years ago. It was on for about two hours. Bit of trivia; Sidney Hubert Green (the 23 year old clerk that Wallace spoke to in Dudlow Lane on his quest for R.M. Qualtrough) died on 20th January 1981. Who would have believed that he would die on the exact date 50 years after his encounter with WHW? Creepy...
John Chegwin appeared in both this (as PC Serjeant) and The Man From The Pru (as the Prison Governor).
Shay Gorman appeared as DS Hubert Moore. For those who may remember, Gorman appeared as Molloy in the series Boys From The Blackstuff.
brilliant stuff mark.Quote:
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I looked on imdb.com for this, but no trace of it.
Hi DaisyChains
Yes you're right. There's no mention of it on IMDb. (I mis-spelt the name of the actor playing Moore - it should be Gorman). I wrote to The Film Archive a few years ago and a copy of it would probably be about £200 (or even more!) Hopefully it might be released one day. I remember seeing it in October 1975 on ITV (when I was 9) and being completely mesmerised! I'm sure it was on again in the early 1980's (didn't video it though). Billy Butler has a regular spot titled I Haven't Seen It For Years (where he asks listeners if they have copies of more obscure programmes/films) but no sign of anything yet. The good thing with Billy is, he keeps everything on record and keeps looking.
Regards
Mark
:)That's brilliant. I wish there were more people like that!Quote:
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Maybe we could try putting ads in some local papers want sections? (Loot, echo, merseymart)
I sent my cheque for Man from the Pru today, so looking forward to that:)
Have you written any of your book yet?
Hi DaisyChains
Glad you've ordered The Man From The Pru. I hope the BFI release Who Killed Julia Wallace? on DVD. It is quite possible (maybe if enough of us wrote to them!!). Yes, I've been writing parts of the book (It is a bit disjointed at the moment, with writing different sections!)
On the credit list for Who Killed Julia Wallace? The names should read:
MacFall (not McFall)
Johnston (without the 'e' at the end)
Hemmerde (not Hammerde)
Allan Close
Serjeant (not Sargent)
Metcalf (not Metcalfe)
Had to get that off my chest!
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My Man from the Pru came today...it's really good, I am only half way through so far though
Was it actually filmed in Liverpool at all?
It's a very very dark film but I suppose it had to be for the subject matter
Hiya DaisyChains
The film was actually filmed in Wolverton Street (not at number 29 though). The company saw that number 10 was being renovated and they used that instead! Rob Rohrer (the director) actually originates from Anfield and he said he always wanted to do a movie version. Allison Daly (who plays the young girl Vicky Foster in the film) was actually 17 but played the part of a 12 year old. Allison ended up working for...wait for it...the company that originally defended Wallace and known as; Herbert J Davis, Berthen & Munro! The tram scenes used in the film were filmed in Fleetwood. Sefton Park Palm House features in the film (not far from 83 Ullet Road, where Amy Wallace lived at the time of the case, and where WHW was arrested on the evening of 2nd February 1931). St. George's Hall was actually used for the trial scenes. Other locations used were Clubmoor & Calderstones Park.
Yes, it is a dark film.
Hope to go on the Wallace route tomorrow afternoon (weather permitting). I'll hopefully get some photos and put them up on here.
Cottle City Cafe was situated here (under the right hand doric entrance)
Belmont Road/Rocky Lane. Wallace claimed he took the number 26 tram from this corner. A number 26 bus stands at the corner.
:)brilliant pics Mark. Such familiar places, but filled with historical sentiment.
Brilliant info about the film too.
I really admire your interest in this case...:)
Thanks DaisyChains.
I hope to go down to the National Archives (at Kew in Surrey) in the next few months.
Yes, whenever I travel around I always think of the historical significance of the places associated with the case. I bet there are people who know of the case that don't even realise that they could be walking in the footsteps of Wallace. Lister Drive school (in Tuebrook) was where I went to school. When Roger Wilkes wrote his excellent Wallace: The Final Verdict book I was astounded to learn that Richard Gordon Parry, Lily Lloyd and John Parkes all went there as well. It seems so personal to me. My mother was born a stone's throw away from Box 1627 (three years after the murder) and she was christened in Holy Trinity Church.
Regards
Mark
Be warned. It'll take you days to go through all the files and even longer to copy them. I've seen them; they're in big boxes and there's a ton to wade through. Perhaps James Murphy might be able to help you out with a copy of whatever is held at Kew as I presume he had access once upon a long ago...saves you a journey too. Not to mention Hotel fees.Quote:
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I understand what you mean AP, but I personally would like to go to Kew to research.Quote:
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I just think you would have a great sense of achievement and a fantastic feeling holding certain documents in your hands.