A case such as this is a minefield, there are so many if's and but's, so much information, so many trains of thought and as clear as mud to me. Anyway, I may pop in to have a look at this St as a relative of mine is moving close to it.
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A case such as this is a minefield, there are so many if's and but's, so much information, so many trains of thought and as clear as mud to me. Anyway, I may pop in to have a look at this St as a relative of mine is moving close to it.
Well the anniversary of the murder is coming up soon. A number of enthusiasts of the case descended on the street for the 80th anniversary which as luck would have it, was shrouded in thick fog. It may be better digesting the story on the inacityliving page by not taking it in all at once, as you say, there is a lot to it but then when you dissect the facts, there's also not a lot to it (though 141 pages here suggest differently)
It might be worth mentioning at this point that one vital fact, the unearthing of the full Parry statement and not the edited version available in only one other book (I think) has only just happened on these very pages and so the mystery rumbles on.
GED,
I had asked John Gannon some questions back on CrimeSpace in the early stages of his book. He was extremely generous not only with his material but with providing me tons of information on the case. I was unknown to him and just expressed my genuine interest in the case. I have no connection to him otherwise.
Some of the information he revealed to me, I found to be very interesting and important. I believe certain information to lead a lot of credence to the theories presented. The information was in confidence and I cannot and will not reveal what it is under any circumstance; the book will be out soon enough.
Surley all information is in the public domain !
Btw, what happened to John Gannon and his posts (vanished). Has someone pi$$ed him off?
Crikey. How did I miss all of that? What were the photos of?
MARK,
Were those the very tasteless photos of Julia naked on a mortuary slab? With your name etched across her back? I found those offensive to the max and was stunned when I saw them. I thought GED said the 2 of you had agreed to not use them out of respect for the family members?!?
Mark, I don't know if you're suggesting I must be John Gannon because I share the same sentiment, anyway you can find my Crimespace page. http://crimespace.ning.com/profile/JohnLevin. That's me, I live an ocean away from all of you. I formed my own opinion from the postings here...
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24 NJS. Notice the name of the shop two to the right :)
Cafay - how appropriate. :)
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Originally Posted by Ged
I bet the owners don't even realise the connection! Pure coincidence!
Btw folks, just a couple of ideas why (IMHO) the 'Julia was killed cos she lied about her age' theory doesn't fly.
1. Anyone ever heard of anyone else ever doing in their spouse cos of this? Christ, I mean, there are cases of blokes finding out afterward that they've married another bloke, and finding that they are now even more in love with them than before! Not doing them in...
2. Wallace must have been borderline-retarded for it to take him 17 bloody years to figure out that Julia was telling porkies about her age. But he wasn't retarded, was he? He was a chess-player and a genius.
I thought the same. How could you be married to someone for any length of time and not realise their age. :surprised
I have never believed for a second Wallace wouldn't have known Julia's correct age. I think he did.
I was only looking in a newspaper from 1929 recently and there was a story about a 27 year old woman marrying a 17 year old lad. It wasn't reported in a defamatory manner either.
couple of questions for you clever chaps............
'Qualtrough' said it was his daughter's 21st and wanted to do something for her. Any idea what it might have been? I could understand if he was cashing in a policy or whatever but this was new business?
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In the afternoon, Wallace was doing his rounds and a policeman sees him and said he looked upset as if he'd been crying.....did he give any explanation?
LizzieQuote:
Originally Posted by Lizzie1
a) It was believed that it was an endowment policy. Wallace expected it to be no less than £100, of which he could expect 20% commission of the first payment.
b) Wallace intimated that his eyes could possibly have been watering on the day he saw Constable Rothwell. It being a cold(ish) January day, he said he might have wiped his eyes with his sleeve. Wallace refuted Rothwell's claim that he had been crying.
Thanks Mark
So it might have been an endowment due to mature? I suppose it would have been easy enough to check?
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It is assumed that Qualtrough wanted to take out an insurance policy for his daughter as a 21st birthday present. It is sometimes wondered why Wallace wouldn't have passed this onto the agent responsible for Allerton but then he stood to make commission on such a deal - something Parry would have known as an enticement perhaps.
Wallace denied being upset that day and in fact when interviewed by the police, the customers he called said he was his normal self (which probably was never too jolly anyway, him being of the stoic type) he even went into one house for a cuppa.
Thanks Ged, Not much of a 21st birthday present....wouldn't go down well today I don't think. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
from what i've read his customers seemed to like him despite him not being too jolly.
Aye, but that present was never intended on being bought was it ;) :noid:
GOOD POINT ,ROD..I dont think Julia's age is the sole motive..but I do believe it was a factor(more so than a botched robbery!) He definately married her thinking she was the same age as himself...so whenever her true age was disclosed to WHW,presuming it was,it could be a reason for resentment(?) Nobody has, so far, ever come up with a motive to the killing.HEMMEREDE didnt even try at the trial.. Couild JULIA'S sister AMY'S very strange detached behaviour after the murder...just demanding Julia's fur coat & not even bothering to attend the funeral ...suggests a DENNIS family problem..maybe because they knew she had been living a lie for years? IAN(FJumble)Quote:
Originally Posted by RodCrosby
I believe at long last, John Gannon's book is out next week or thereabouts. I'm looking forward to hear what others think of it.
Are we back? The last I heard was the site was closing down....
Me too! Just hope it isn't a rehash of what we already know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
Seems not to be according to the write up, I mean, Marsden link - with proof. Evidence of why the murder had to be that night and no other. Proof there was a bloodied glove found and it was Julia's etc etc........intriguing.
When the book comes out this thread will be buzzing! I hope I get my book by the end of the month.
Well, 1427 posts when there hasn't been a new book for over a decade, i'm sure you're right burkhilly.
Not too sure if I'm still welcome here so will be brief: book is on the shelves in Waterstones from today. Thank you all for your patience.
John
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Sorry - forgot to add: if you buy it and enjoy it I will do my utmost to meet and sign it for you.
John
You are still most welcome on the thread John. I've ordered your book from Amazon and am awaiting despatch.
However, if you name Mr Wallace as the murderer I shall be most put out - so be warned!!!
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Really glad the "thread" is back GED!! I havnt got a copy yet,but I understand JOHN GANNON'S book is in WATERSTONES today!! IAN(FJumble)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
I will be getting it for sure.
Still waiting for a dispatch email from Amazon. Anyone got the book yet? Am going to town tomorrow so may go into Waterstones for a quick browse.
Going to get it on Saturday.
THE DEVIL IN THE DETAIL..just got my copy from W.H.SMITH(on pre-order..THANKS ROD!!)!! Having only read the Prologue & The Preface so far..its certainly well written & I dont recognise some of the illustrations.No telly for me tonight....IAN (FJumble)
Cancelled my online order, and went out and bought it at "full-whack" price at my local bookshop, Pritchard's. Mr P told me his auntie gets a mention in the book.
Read it cover to cover in one sitting....
No comment. :rolleyes:
You've read it already and no comment. That's plain cruel, come on spill the beans as to if you think Mr Gannon has solved the murder with any credibility. :002:
Negative....
Are there any outlandish reasons why his findings can be dismissed as utter fantasy. Was there the proof offered that was advertised?
No, in fairness to the author I'll say no more until he's sold a few more copies...
Hi ROD...I'm a slow reader & the print is small..but I read the first 50 pages last night,before I fell asleep.JOHN has certainly put in a terriffic amount of research..the detailed background to some of the charcters is amazing(ie MARSDENS police relative escorting Crippen to London).I havnt got to the "meat" of the book yet,but I thought the treatment of the "QUALTROUGH" phone-call was very good...I have always assumed PARRY was just doing his usual trick & trying for a free call(or perhaps less likely ensuring that the time of the call was logged)but he obviously wasnt!!...more when I've read more....IAN