We call that sort of Irish music "Diddly-dee" as that is how it sounds. diddly-dee, diddly-dee, diddly-dee, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by molly
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We call that sort of Irish music "Diddly-dee" as that is how it sounds. diddly-dee, diddly-dee, diddly-dee, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by molly
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Originally Posted by Waterways
It doesn't to me. Mind you, I appreciate music.
You are the one attempting push the culture of another race upon us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnomie
<snip irrelevant stuff about the Irish famine - which I already knew>
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Originally Posted by Waterways
Well said.
:handclap::handclap::handclap:
Shows how educated you really are...... Sad person.
My point is we should recognise the famine and the city's reluctant role in it. NOT celebrate Irish culture as if the Irish were the predominant influence on the city. They just clearly were not.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoney
And for those who think Liverpudlians are all of Irish connection somewhere, we are just clearly not.
I don't think that is anybody's intention here Waterways. Yo Liverpool is a Forum where people can have their say, Most of the time we all agree but don't you think it would be somewhat boring if we agreed all the time.
Occasionally it's wise to stand back and agree to differ. I have listened to many valid points being made during the 'Irish' debate. Points both empirical and moral.
In the last analysis we are Scousers or people who are akin to Scousers and want to be on this Forum.
That is how it sounds, diddly-dee. Educated? Is an honours degree good enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by molly
predominant or not, who cares? they DID play an important role just like in 200 years time the polish will probably be remembered for the part they played in getting the city ready for the CoCQuote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
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Originally Posted by Waterways
Not in your use of language it isnt.
Bora da, boyo.
I have the Welsh in me as well as a fair mix of the English.
Hurrah!
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I'm more interested in facts. The fact is we are not of predominantly Irish culture and influence as many here seem to misguidedly think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven
Liverpool sub-culture is the one I am only interested in, which has influences from England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Scandinavia, Holland, China, Eastern European Jewish, etc. No others should rise above it.Quote:
In the last analysis we are Scousers or people who are akin to Scousers and want to be on this Forum.
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"That is how it sounds, diddly-dee. Educated? Is an honours degree good enough?"
My reply, using his language.
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Tiddly um, Tiddly am
Tiddly um, Tiddly am.
If yer can't suck a lemon,
suck an owld tin can.
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I have no real affinity to Ireland even though my surname somewhere down the line is Irish but my parents and their parents were from Liverpool, England.
However, there was an Irish community on the heavily populated Scotland Road, nearby the Italian settlers were united with them in catholocism.
Our lady's of reconciliation, Eldon Street was largely Lithuanian and artefacts and craftsmanship within these areas are from the incomers.
The Welsh did have a community in and around St. Paul's Square where chapels were built in and around the surrounding areas including Pall Mall. Of that there is no doubt as it's recorded.
Source: LRO.
2nd source SP.
The likes of me who wants it to be right and not skewed.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoney
LOL!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven
i'm not irish, have no irish blood , but i do appreciate their contribution, do you have something against the irish or what ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
You are educated and know your music professor. :handclap::handclap::handclap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven
Read what I wrote, I do have Irish blood in me. I have nothing against the Irish, more in favour of my own. I want no other culture being officially celebrated, especially one which had a minority influence on the city.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoney
Smebody made the valid point that we are a mongrel breed here in Liverpool and we all talked with Lancashire accents before the Irish and the Welsh came.
The Irish, the Welsh and others > it is claimed, gave us our totally distinctive accent.
I totally disagree !!!!!
I think it's the draft from the Mersey tunnel which gives us that nasal sound. So we all talk through our noses. http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...0Gifs/lmao.gif
Can I further add that the Welsh and Irish combined forces in 1933 to build that tunnel >
My dad offered to do it on his own but was turned down 'cos he couldn't get a skip. lol.
Can we have a laugh ???
Doran (Irish) and Roberts (Welsh):-
Were brought before the judge and their solicitors were asked to explain what it was all about.
It came to pass, that Doran and Roberts were in the pub having a pint, when a misunderstanding took place.
Doran thought that Roberts had insulted the Irish and so he butted him.
Roberts came up off the deck and brought his knee sharply up into Doran's groin.
Still writhing in agony, Doran managed to pick up a chair and smash it across Robert's teeth.
This led to bad feeling amongst them both ,,,,, and a fight broke out.
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The Fighting Irish :PDT_Aliboronz_24::PDT_Aliboronz_24::PDT_Aliboronz _24:
Scroll back and have a bit of a laugh about it.:PDT_Aliboronz_11:Quote:
Originally Posted by molly
Cheers for that Howie :handclap: Have I told you lately, Yer a Star :PDT11
Liverpool is a city that truly recognises and celebrates its diverse make up and Irish culture is not left out!
The annual Liverpool Irish Festival celebrates what it is to be Irish in Liverpool and is backed by the Culture Company - the council going some way to recongnise this important aspect of our culture. That is not only the Irish in Liverpool, the Liverpool Irish, but scousers themselves and the place of the Liverpool Irish in the wider community and the world!
As regards Famine memorial go down to St Luke's - the bombed out church and take a lok at the monument that remembers the famine. The Institute of Irish Studies had a big hand in getting it over here.
Liverpool is twinned with Dublin and at least a third of Liverpudlians have Irish ancestry - just look at the surnames in a phone book, many of Irish derivation. We have a very strong Irish influence, not only historically but because we are so close - we face Ireland and are the first port of call between Ireland and the rest of Europe.
As regards recognising our many different cultures - we do!
Some examples:
The new museum of Liverpool that opens in 2010 will be opening with an exhibition on Welsh culture and the history of the Welsh in Liverpool.
http://www.liverpoolblackhistory.co.uk/
http://www.liverpool-welsh.co.uk/
http://www.liverpoolchildrensfestival.org.uk/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/conte..._feature.shtml
to name but a few!
It is important that all cultures are recognised and that we all know how our fine city got to where it is today through the influence, hard work and sometimes suffering of our many and people.
1/3 of the churches in Toxteth, that is all Toxteth, inc parts of Penny Lane, were Welsh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
That is how strong the Welsh influence is - they just melted in and don't make a song and dance of it.
I'm not disputing that or championing the Irish so there's no need to 'quote' me, i'm just saying it is recorded truth that the St. Paul's Square area was Little Wales just as the Gerard Street area was Little Italy. ;)
No Biggy - Here in the Dingle we still have the Welsh streets. My own house was built for Welsh people who worked on the railways, ie 'Overhead' and 'Underhead' plus tunnels.
Lots of different people added to make Liverpool what it is and nobody I know is banging a big drum about it.
We are just celebrating being us.
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Originally Posted by Waterways
Again here is my first post
" Unless I have missed something
I would like to know why the city is not marking any event to the Irish coming into this city( many by force ). A huge percentage of this city have Irish blood in them, The Irish have certainly left their mark here. I know we have the Wigwam named Paddy, but surely something should be done to mark what happened during and after the Famine.
Many passed through Liverpools port, and many made Liverpool their home.
They lived in some of the worst poverty ever witnessed in this city, yet they survived, and helped shape it into what it is now.
I just feel a bit miffed when its capital of culture and nothing seems to be getting done ( I hope im proved wrong, but please not an official Irish dance at the town hall please ) Yes I have a big Irish connection in my family still today, but im sure others must wonder why nothing is marked.?
Dublin has the famine statues leaving the port. Liverpool could have them here arriving in their new world? "
How is that pushing a culture on anyone else.
nobody is saying we dont have other cultures, so get your head out of your bum.
Admit that you have a problem with the Irish, then do us all a favour and sod off you sad git.
Stop answering this foolish idiot and he may bog off back to his happy little cave. little Irish Racist pig.
I do have an affinity to Ireland, always have and always will. So what, i can do whatever i like. and I will be proud of my Irish connection and my Irish ancestors and how they helped to shape this city.
No bigot will ever stop that:PDT11
Well said Gnomie :handclap: but he has got onto his 'high horse' - refused advice from everyone..... Let him fall off on his own.
By now he must know how Custer felt with all these arrows being fired at him.
He reminds me of when wee Mary went down to London to she her big son George take part in his first the Trooping of the Colour.
They they all where marching up and down, round and round.
Now George was marching left right left right left right. Nobody could deny that.
But every other soldier was going right left right left. Not saying he wasn't marching. Just not marching with the rest of the soldiers.
My ancestors are mosrly Irish
I also Have some from
Anglesey
Kendal
Somerset
and my great great Grandfather was from Sweden
My dad was Catholic and my Mum C of E
Our family now is spread out all over the Uk. We have Scots and Welsh and lots in Texas. many many are in Ireland, and guess what we go to see them on Ryan Air :)
Oh and i dont think Paddy and Mick jokes are funny.
I,ve slept on it overnight and regret calling a certain t*** a "son of a *****" but he,s still a t***. From now on Tony I just ignore him because I wouldn,t and shouldn,t stoop so low as a t***
Now to get on with others on the forum who don,t care two hoots that I,m of Irish extraction and that Liverpool has a vast and rich Irish foundation and connection.:PDT_Piratz_26:
Hey Chippie hows you doing mate:PDT_Piratz_26:
Its amazing really. this city has no Irish connections, yet I started this thread 19 hours ago and there are 112 replies:)
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Originally Posted by Gnomie
The only bigot I can see is you. Don't push your obsession with Irishness onto us. Once again...they are/were a minority in the city with the English and Welsh in greater numbers. You clearly think the Irish were the majority. Read some local history.
I don't need your advice thank you. I know Liverpool's history. Parts of it some here clearly can't accept.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven
No good, I cant hear you. it must be the recist im ignoring:unibrow:
Once again for you. We re not an Irish city.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerry
No good, I cant hear you. it must be the recist im ignoring:unibrow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways