I managed to find a copy of The Lodger: The Arrest and Escape of Jack the Ripper by Stewart Evans yesterday
has anyone read it?
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I managed to find a copy of The Lodger: The Arrest and Escape of Jack the Ripper by Stewart Evans yesterday
has anyone read it?
Hello DaisyChainsQuote:
Originally Posted by DaisyChains
I have been for over a decade in communication with Stewart P. Evans, co-author of The Lodger: The Arrest and Escape of Jack the Ripper, which was republished in the U.S. as Jack the Ripper: First American Serial Killer., although have not had the fortune to meet him in person. In the book, Stewart and his co-author, Paul Gainey, put forward a good case for Irish-American quack doctor Dr Francis Tumblety as having been Jack the Ripper.
Certainly Tumblety was in London at the time of the Ripper crimes. He was arrested in early November for homosexual offences with several men (such activity being illegal at the time). He was supposedly given bail which might have enabled him to murder Mary Jane Kelly and then free the country. A number of observers feel that Tumblety was too flamboyant a figure and, as a homosexual, unlikely to have been the lust-murderer of women that Jack was.
Tumblety's candidacy remains interesting but not proven. It is not clear that Tumblety was the reported Batty Street lodger with blood-stained cuffs as Gainey and Evans allege.
All my best
Chris
Thanks ChrisQuote:
Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge
I haven't read the book yet. It's interesting that the authors think he was the lodger in question...do we know a positive identity on the Batty St lodger?
No. It's speculaton on the part of the authors that the lodger was Tumblety.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaisyChains
Chris
I don't think Jack liked women or lusted after them in a conventional way. Interesting term 'lust-murderer'.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge
I've just been listening to an interview with Richard Jones on radio Merseyside.
Not sure if it's already posted here but there's a link to his web-site :
http://www.london-walks.co.uk/54/jac...reasure-.shtml
has anyone here been on the London tour?
I don't know much about the Ripper Case (well, to be honest, nothing really), but twisted murderers are not confined to the heterosexual community.
It's conceivable that a homosexual who hated women could have done the murders.
I hasten to add that most Gays like women.
Chris an old friend of mine from Essex was researching the Ripper case is name is Ian Griggs, I havent heard from him in a while, Do you know him or of him?Thanx
Hi PhilipQuote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
I suppose anything is possible but as you say, a trait among many gays is that they do like women and get on well with them. Dr. Tumblety, the American quack doctor who had an affair with writer Henry Hall Caine in Liverpool in the 1870's, is said to have been been a woman hater by some accounts and according to a 1913 letter by former Special Branch Chief Inspector John George Littlechild held to be a "likely suspect" in the murders.
Chris
Hi ScannerQuote:
Originally Posted by Scanner
Many thanks for telling me about him. The name did not strike a bell with me at first but I now I see that it was Mr. Griggs who took the photographs of the graves of the Whitechapel murder victims on the Casebook: Jack the Ripper site that I frequent.
Chris
Hi all
Just to keep the pot simmering. And I still don't think it was Mister Maybrick. The following is copied from another site.
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Originally Posted by Mike Covell
Thanks, Mike. This case has been "solved" by so many people!!!!
If you're a soccer fan, it's like all the sides Jurgen Klinsmann is going to coach and never does. I wonder if he is paid a retainer just to have his name mentioned whenever there's a coaching vacancy for a top soccer club. :rolleyes:
Chris
I reckon he just 'dives' in there.
Proof of the Joseph Sickert claim regarding Jack the Ripper, the identity of Mary Jane Kelly, the complicity of Sir Charles Warren and Inspector Abberline in the Whitechapel murders, and much more, are outlined in a new book on eBooks-UK by Peter Londragan.
Er....thanks Pete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oswulf
Wasn't Tumblety followed back to the USA by the Metropolitan Police?
Larisa's blog makes a lot of sense.. and a very interesting compelling read.. George Chapman, hanged for such brutality and insanity.. amazing stuff there Chris.. ta for the article...Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge
Yes he was, apparently, although the case against him seems less strong than it was some years ago. Tumblety himself seems to have had a hand in publicizing the fact that he was a suspect in the Ripper case. It enabled him, as an Irish nationalist ,to lampoon Scotland Yard and also disguise that the charges they had him up on was for what was then termed "unnatural practices" with several other men. He also used publicity when he was arrested at the time of the assassination of Abraham Lincoln in 1865 to put out a pamplet proclaiming his innocence and pushing his quakery, so in 1889 he similarly put out a pamphlet saying he was innocent to promote his business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris48
Chris
Sort of related, certainly with the Ripper/Maybrick collection. If this is an innapropriate thread could the mods please move it to where it should be.
Tuesday April 15th
from www.williamsontunnels.co.uk
The Florence Maybrick Trial
Drama Students from Liverpool John Moores University will be recreating the trial of Florence Maybrick (for the murder of her husband James).
After an hour of listening to the evidence and a short interval (when refresments will be on sale) the audience will be asked to decide the verdict.
Tickets, priced £2, are available from the Williamson Tunnels Heritage Centre or from the Joe H Makin Drama Centre, Pilgrim Street.
When is this? 15th April?Quote:
Originally Posted by fortinian
I think it is the 15th of April. I can't find anything else online about it but apparently the audience get to vote on finding Florence guility or innocent!
Not bad for £2.
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Originally Posted by fortinian
She was well stitched up. Tried for her morals more than anything. He used arsenic regularly. It was used for treating VD at the time but I am not sure if that was the reason?
I agree with you there in that time married women having an affair were treated with ****ationQuote:
Originally Posted by Wallasey Al
Hi all
When you hear "Jack the Ripper" and "Liverpool" all in one sentence, it is usually in regard to James Maybrick and the controversial "Diary" that came to light in 1992 and was first discussed in Shirley Harrison's The Diary of Jack the Ripper in 1993, published by Smith Gryphon and in later books by Ms. Harrison as well.
However, it could be that two of the Ripper's victims had Liverpool connections as well.
The last canonical victim, Mary Jane Kelly, killed on the morning of 9 November 1888, might have been in a Catholic Girls Reformatory in Old Swan in 1881, as discussed in a recent thread.
However, the origins of Mary Jane Kelly, such a common name, are as shrouded in mystery as the truth about the Ripper himself, as we discussed in Ripperologist last month. In the article "Mary Jane Kelly: From May Place, Liverpool, to Miller's Court?" on the 1881 census listing showing a Mary Jane Kelly at that institution on Broad Green Lane that we finalized with help from a number of forum members, we discussed the problems of research on the woman killed in Miller's Court, Spitalfields, London. If anybody would like a copy of that article, please email me and I will send you the pdf.
Another possible victim of Jack the Ripper was Carrie Brown, murdered in New York City on the night of April 23-24, 1891. Carrie Brown, known as "Old Shakespeare" was said to have been born in Liverpool.
Best regards
Chris George
Courtesy of Howard Brown at JtR Forums:
Birmingham Daily Post
November 29, 1890
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Most, if not all, of the "Jack the Ripper letters" are thought to have been concocted by trouble-making members of the public or, perhaps initially, by newsmen desiring to hype up the murders. Here's an instance of a Merseyside boy who jumped on the bandwagon.
Have you read the Tom Slemen/Keith Andrews book 'solving' the Ripper case yet Chris?
I have not read the book but we ran a review of it in Ripperologist. Here's an excerpt:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
"Tom Slemen has chronicled Liverpool’s weird and wonderful paranormal past for a long time, penning a series of popular books and a regular column for the Liverpool Echo. They are great fun, but it has to be said that rigorous factual analysis and historical accuracy don’t appear to be among his highest priorities, and one didn’t really expect Jack the Ripper: British Intelligence Agent? to bring us any nearer to the identity of Jack the Ripper.
"And the book met one’s expectations.
"Slemen’s theory that Claude Reignier Conder (1848-1910) was Jack the Ripper has been kicking around for over a decade and the book promised for almost as long, so researchers have had an opportunity to see if the idea has legs, and it hasn’t, not as far as folk could see, but with the instinctive desire to champion the underdog, one really hoped that Slemen had some eye-popping evidence, or at worst a compelling argument. Sadly Jack the Ripper: British Intelligence Agent? is the damp squib one thought it would be. It’s a moderately enjoyable read, but it isn’t serious history."
Another news report courtesy of Howard Brown at JtR Forums:
Bristol Mercury and Daily Post
December 31, 1890
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Another news report courtesy of Howard Brown at JtR Forums:
There's some question about whether the name "High Rip gang" had some influence in coining the name "Jack the Ripper." One or more gangs in Liverpool in the 19th century were dubbed in the press as "High Rip" gangs....
Here's a chap, possibly a gang member, who claimed to be "Champion of the World and the High Ripper !"
Liverpool Mercury
July 1, 1890
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Jack the Ripper holds no interest for me at all. Having said that those newspaper cutting were very interesting to see - I had no idea that the Liverpool connection was so strong so thanks for posting Chris.
Thanks, burkhilly. It's not so much that the Liverpool connection was strong but more that the publicity given to the Ripper crimes in 1888 was so great, they garnered worldwide attention, to the extent that the name "Jack the Ripper" became a cultural phenomenon mentioned in newspapers and different contexts for years afterward, and of course down to today as well. Howard Brown who has been digging up these newspaper reports worldwide has even found some advertisements, mostly in U.S. newspapers west of the Mississippi that use the name "Jack the Ripper" in selling clothing, as in the following example.Quote:
Originally Posted by burkhilly
The Atchison Daily Globe
(Atchison, Kansas)
Friday, June 14, 1889
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Youmean like thi,CG.....Quote:
Today as well.
What runs around shcool yards terrorising young girls?
Jack the Nipper.
Many men were swept up in the police investigation into the Whitechapel murders. Here is yet another man, with Merseyside connections. Newspaper article posted courtesy of Dave James at JtR Forums. Thanks, Dave!
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Authur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes first appeared in 1887. I've often wondered why JTR didn't feature in his case files? This surely would have been a greater challenge than anything Professor James Moriarty could throw his way?
Did yer know A C Doyle was a physician and at first glance he has facial similarities to that of James Maybrick ?
And he believed in fairies at the bottom of the garden :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by dazza
Hi Dazza and GeorgeQuote:
Originally Posted by GeorgePorgie
Yes I suppose in some ways as a full-faced man, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle did have some resemblance to James Maybrick. But no one ever said Maybrick wrote Sherlock Holmes.
Conan Doyle did take an interest in the case, and is known for his theory involving a female murderer dubbed "Jill the Ripper". I think it is possible that a male killer could have disguised himself as a woman. One of the mysteries of the case is how the murderer got away with it time and again. I have often thought there must have been something about him that made the victims feel at ease. Conan Doyle was also known to have been a member of the Crimes Club, also known as "Our Society". He went along on a tour of the Ripper sites with other club members on April 19, 1905.
Chris
Hi Chris,
Very interesting that Conan Doyle would have walked the JTR crime scenes [I wouldn't be too surprized if he'd held seances to find the killer?] I have also visited the sites with Donald Rumbelow on one of his London Walks. 'Jill The Ripper' is also an interesting addition. Perhaps a syphilitic christian housewife infected by her husband who went out on regular nocturnal vendettas?
And he played in goal for Portsmouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
Well I don't know about that, thought that was David James?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge
Yes he has been mentioned as a suspect but he's an outsider to have been "Jack". The likely suspect sitings point to a man who looked like a sailor or at least a working class man, rather than someone like Conan Doyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by dazza