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Sunshine I go on fact, not quarter baked opinions with no factual foundation whatsoever. You are still an uneducated insulting fool. The Alf Garnets of this world. Now run off and vote BNP. It is called bigotry. Boy this thread has that in spades.Quote:
Originally Posted by GNASHER
Suez wasn't a flop, Nasser was a fool to himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
His jew bating left his country flat broke.
A Brief History of the Suez Canal.
The Suez Canal was opened in 1869 under French and Egyption ownership..
Both countries had contributed to the cost. The French under a 99 year lease which expired in 1968
The British involvement in the canal came about when the ruler of Egypt put his shares up for sale because of financial problems in 1875. Disraeli bought the shares for 4 milliion pounds giving the British government as security. Thus Britian became a controlling shareholder in the Suez Canal Company.
In 1888 a treaty was signed to help boost the weak Egyptian economy. The treaty stated that the canal was
open to all in peace and war. In 1922 Egypt became independent it had a King [Fuad]and an army.
In 1936 Fuad died and King Farouk took over as King of Egypt and Sudan. Farouk became alarmed when Italy attacked Ethiopia in the 1935 war. He then drew up a treaty between Britain and Egypt stating that the UK was to withdraw all troops from Egypt except those necessary to protect the Suez canal and its surroundings, 10,000 troops plus auxiliary personnel. The UK would also supply and train Egypt?s army and assist in its defence in case of war. Both countries signed the agreement
The Suez Crisis 1956.
The Suez Crisis began when the U.S. Secretary of State John Foster Dulles found out that Gamil Nasser, President of Egypt, was buying arms from the soviet block. He then informed Nasser that money for the Aswan Dam project would not be available. Nasser retaliated by nationalising the Suez canal, even tho' it was his in 1968 when the lease ran out.
He also stopped Israel's ships from using the canal and the Straits of Tiran, thus stopping Israel?s oil supplies.
On October 25, Egypt signed a tripartite agreement with Syria and Jordan placing Nasser in command of all three armies. The continued blockade of the Suez Canal and Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping, combined with the increased commando attacks, prompted Israel to attack Egypt on October 29, 1956.
The attack was described as a 'work of art' by the military historian Sir Basil Liddell Hart.
The attack started with a parachute drop at the Mitla Pass not to far from the Suez Canal, and deploying some troops along the Jordon border. This confused Nasser as to where the brunt of the attack would come. He waited 24 hours before moving his 2nd Brigade from Suez to the Mitla Pass with one battalion moving into the narrow part of the pass. Ariel Sharon?s 202 paratroop battalion then attacked the Egyptian troops, some bitter hand to hand fighting took place before the Egyptians conceded defeat then broke and ran. Sharon rested his men for 48 hours before moving them in the direction of Sharm el Sheikh where the main attack would focus. Sharm el Sheikh overlooks the Straits of Tiran. The Egyptians at Sharm surrendered with very little resistance.
In the aftermath, the Americans wanted the Iraelis to give back all the land they had gained, saying they would stop financial aid. The Israelis refused, demanding that the UN took over the land they had gained. They also wanted a guarantee that the Straits of Tiran would stay open for their ships. The Americans granted their request.
This kept the peace for a few years.
The Six day War.
In 1967 Nasser started again. He told the UN he wanted them off Egyptian soil. After a while U Thant [ the UN secretary] obliged him. Nasser then closed the Straits
Of Tiran to Israeli ships. He knew this move would put Israel on a war footing.
Nasser had amassed the largest army the conflict had ever seen. Egypt, Jordan, Syria,
With contingents from Iraq, Sudan, Arabia, Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria,.
Israel went strait off the front foot. Smashing the air forces of Egypt, Jordon, Syria whilst they were still on the ground. They then set about the ground forces that had no air cover. It was a complete rout, with thousands of Egyptians surrendering.
Six days to wreck the largest army in the Middle East. Nasser offered his resignation.
Field Marshal Amar the man Nasser picked to lead the attack, committed suicide
The canal stayed closed for the remainder of Nasser?s rule. When Nasser died in 1970
his country was flat broke, his internal politics had failed, his huge army had failed.
Nasser had failed.
As for the Anglo French attack on Port Said. The 3 Para attack on El Gamil was all over in a couple of hours. B company took the brunt of the attack and lost 4 comrades.
The French did an equally quick job at Port Fuad By the time the Russians and Americans started moaning it was all over. We were 20 miles up the canal at El Cap and not a shot was fired. In the negotiations after the attack compensation was offered to the share holders and was all paid up by 1963. The British that had to leave Egypt over the troubles also received some compensation; this was paid up by 1969.
Nasser would have been better off leaving the British to protect the canal, he certainly couldn?t do it with that army.
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Get rid of the Eastern Europeans, that would give our British people jobs. there are nearly Three Million people on Benefit and job seekers allowance while these Euros come over here and are used as cheap labour keeping the Brits unemployed. There are 950,000 young people , teens and twenties unemployed, Government figures.
The government want it that way so they have a steady pool of younsters joining the Army for their stupid wars that no one wants.
Then get out of Europe , the most Corrupt organisation outside of Zimbabwe.
I went in town the other day, I thought I had Emigrated, I couldnt hear a word of English being spoken. I had to find the Town Hall and clock to make sure I was still in my home town..
Me too. Isn't it truly wonderful!Quote:
Originally Posted by A.D.W
It's like I have died and gone to heaven. Not seeing Waterways postings is like seeing all the pretty angels on the clouds.Quote:
Originally Posted by underworld
Ahhhhh! Lovely.
:PDT11
I'm so happy!
As far as Im concerned and what I have lived through in Northern Ireland it has to be The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher Murdering B*****d. As far as her health goes now, she gets what she deserves and more.
WW is the type of tosser you meet in a pub that thinks because he shouts the loudest he has won the argument.
Suez was a political failure. A humiliation. A climb down.Quote:
Originally Posted by jobee
Should they be put in gas chambers? Maybe these unemployed Londoners should shoot these Scotsmen who are living and working in London as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by captain kong
The BNP voting Alf Garnet again. Note how they are all negative. They hate this that and the other and Jews and blacks and they want others throw out, who legally can live here, or put in gas chambers or whatever. No one know knows anything positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by GNASHER
One thing is clear, all the worst PMs were Tories by a mile.
I would certainly get rid of Scotsmen in London. such as Gordon Brown, Alister Darling and all the rest of those Nu Lab Scotsmen in the Cabinet.
Also all the worst Scots men Prime Ministers were Gormless Gorrdon Brown, and Phony Tony Bliar
What don't you understand about this?Quote:
Originally Posted by captain kong
Under Blair Since 1997:
- The UK economy has been the world's most robust.
- The pound has been almighty strong.
- 9/11 caused a recession in most of the western world. It never happened here.
- The UK had the longest sustained economic growth in history. Provincial cities have boomed with their skylines changing beyond belief.
- Some superb anti-social laws have been implemented (a pity some police and courts do not use them enough).
- The country even absorbed over 1 million eastern European and still not have an unemployment problem.
- Hereditary peers abolished - the biggest constitutional change since Oliver Cromwell
- Provincial cities went on massive building programmes - look at the skyscrapers in Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham.
The Labour government since 1997 has been the most successful we have ever seen. FACT!!
You do not change a winning team.
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Under Blair Since 1997:
The UK economy has been the world's most robust.
The pound has been almighty strong
9/11 caused a recession in most of the western world. It never happened here.
The UK had the longest sustained economic growth in history. Provincial cities have boomed with their skylines changing beyond belief.
Some superb anti-social laws have been implemented (a pity some police and courts do not use them enough).
The country even absorbed over 1 million eastern European and still not have an unemployment problem.
Hereditary peers abolished - the biggest constitutional change since Oliver Cromwell
Provincial cities went on massive building programmes - look at the skyscrapers in Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham.
Mr WW
Where has all the manufacturing industry gone??? CHINA..
The pound is at its weekest. Two years ago I was getting A$2.49 to a pound in Australia, now today I will get A$1.58 to my pound.
in the USof A I was getting US$2.14 to my pound, now I get US$1.60 To my pound.
WHERE HAS MY MONEY GONE?????
And after all that the Country is Bancrupt and in the deepest debt in the History of Britain.
Provincial cities build `sky scrapers`. Hotels that are empty because no one can afford to stay in them.useless.
Hereditary Peers all gone, It did not help me, Tony filled the Lords up with all his cronies. All bent and corrupt, all unelected. Is that democracy??
May as well have left it as it was as having more unelected bent cronies.
No benefit to me and mine.
I would say that 3.7 million British people on benefit is an unemployment problem.
and all the Human Rights Laws have only helped the Criminals to hide behind.
Until then I never ever needed a human rights law.
So what you have said is just a load Cr**.
Neville Chamberlain's not on the list?Quote:
Originally Posted by jobee
I begin to understand why there is a publication on the newstands called "Waterways World". Its certainly not the one I live in.
John
Just put him on your "Ignore" list. Many of us have. He gets nasty and starts name calling if you dont agree with his politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by danensis
Labour have pursued a policy of boom and bust since 1997. I could see the recession coming a mile off. I could see all these young couples helping themselves to cheap credit and buying ?250,000 houses that they could never afford from the outset. Why couldn't the chancellor see it too. Who was the chancellor for 10 of those years? Lets see now!!!
Attlee should never be considered in such a discussion. Britain had some great progress thanks to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by jobee
Out of who i have read about Thatcher. She reversed social progress simply thats why. The voters were mad to give her 3 terms.
Churchill himself was overrated because the war too. Guys like Major just carried on what their predecessor started.
I don't agree with all of Waterways stuff on the current Labor for example, why did they introduce university fees? Thats something the Tories are expected to do? Plus he was a puppet of one of the most retarded US Presidents ever, i know most British PM's are always a puppet of US presidents though.
You are living in the world the Daily Mail makes for you. I'll stay in the real one.Quote:
Originally Posted by danensis
What don't you understand about this?
Under Blair Since 1997:
- The UK economy has been the world's most robust.
- The pound has been almighty strong.
- 9/11 caused a recession in most of the western world. It never happened here.
- The UK had the longest sustained economic growth in history. Provincial cities have boomed with their skylines changing beyond belief.
- Some superb anti-social laws have been implemented (a pity some police and courts do not use them enough).
- The country even absorbed over 1 million eastern European and still not have an unemployment problem.
- Hereditary peers abolished - the biggest constitutional change since Oliver Cromwell
- Provincial cities went on massive building programmes - look at the skyscrapers in Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham.
The Labour government since 1997 has been the most successful we have ever seen. FACT!!
You do not change a winning team.
The current Labour ain't as bad as what people make out to be but they have gone too far right instead a little fair balance. Not too bad but we still need alot of social reform.
People need to not be brainwashed with false promises of living greedy like what the milk snatcher promised too. Also the imperialist atitude about Great Britain is a load of crap too. People are easily brainwashed then moan about who they voted in!
Fantastic. I am glad Kong is getting somewhere. What don't you understand about all that?Quote:
Originally Posted by captain kong
Manufacturing industry has been going to the Far East for nearly 50 years - Globalisation.
The pound is at its weakest because we are the worst financial crisis in history. The Credit Crunch. Have you heard of it?
Do you think the cities should build slums instead? I know many here want slum tenements to be re-introduced. They hotels are not full because we are the worst financial crisis in history. The Credit Crunch. Have you heard of it?Quote:
Provincial cities build `sky scrapers`. Hotels that are empty because no one can afford to stay in them.
Hereditary Peers are gone and democratic Lords is on the way. It will help you as we will have democratic representative parliament, not bunch of land owners rigging laws to suit themselves. You are the sort who would have dictatorship with mass poverty around you, as long as you have a few bob in the bank.
After I thought you were getting somewhere you let me down. Kong, do not vote for a bunch of public schoolboy idiots all from one school, to the run the country.
Only if you start it. I just tell it as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by underworld
Another one in cloud cuckoo land. Even 19/11 never affected the economy. The most robust and stable in the world.Quote:
Labour have pursued a policy of boom and bust since 1997.
You could? You knew in-depth what was happening in the US economy that affected the whole world? Holly sock Batman!Quote:
I could see the recession coming a mile off.
I only gave the fact of what they did since 1997. Remember the deprivation of Tories? Short memory?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
Because graduates end up being the highest paid people in the country who can afford to pay back. They have long time to pay back as well.Quote:
for example, why did they introduce university fees?
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Originally Posted by Waterways
He was a child of his class, which is why he took an imperialist view of the world. He signed agreements with Franco as soon as the war was over.
He's entitled to his view, even if it is a simple minded faith in a political party which is nothing more than a cul-de-sac down which the anger of the working class can be safely flushed and forgotten about. Your civil rights have been steadily eroded by his party since 1997. He imagines he is against the Tories because he supports Labour, yet the anti-trade union laws brought in by Thatcher remain on the statute books. He imagines he opposes racism and anti-semitism when he supports a party which supports a system which encourages them.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.D.W
Indeed, he is entitled to his opinion. It's just a shame his debating skills are none existent, RonnieW.
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Originally Posted by A.D.W
As Gnasher has said, he's like the bloke in the pub who thinks he's won the argument because he shouts the loudest. I suppose it's to be expected when one idolises authoritarian leaders like Blair.
Even the old reactionary Churchill opposed the use of ID cards and had them withdrawn on re-taking power in 1952. It never entered Atlee's head to withdraw them at all.
It's a great laugh reading his posts though!
You must be joking, the canal was opened, the straits of tiran were opened,Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
compensation was paid to our shareholders. compensation was paid to the ex pats that had to leave Egypt. We were NOT occupying Egypt. Since Egypt received its independence we were only stationed along the banks of the canal to protect it from Israeli attack and closure. It received a bad press because Eden had always been sarcastic to the British press.
But victory it was, probably the sweetest and quickest victory the British army ever achieved. Read on.
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I do not shout. I just give facts. The hard of thinking and the conditioned can't handle that - you are clearly one or the other or both.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieW
Is this the same Blair that kicked out the unelected self-interest hereditary peers from the House and Lords to introduce a democratic chamber?Quote:
I suppose it's to be expected when one idolises authoritarian leaders like Blair.
All you do, like many others here, is make yourself look foolish.
No I am not joking. The US said get out the British did what they said. It was a watershed moment, when the British empire was clearly over.Quote:
Originally Posted by jobee
I give facts. Any view is heavily factual based. I go on results.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieW
You are agreeing with a person who openly hates people people because of their race/region. hat is how clever you are.
Find out how the UK is run. Read Paxman's Who Runs Britain for starters. Come back for more when you have read it.
You are a sycophant. The Alf Garnets of this world.
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His idea of debating skills are agreeing with racist hating bigotry. A BNP voter. Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.D.W
I've read what the Tories deprived people of but i was only 11 when Blair got in so i don't remember much Tory stuff when they were in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
Depends on the Uni sometimes and what degree they get though. Alot of graduates are in jobs like McDonalds for example at the moment. Some subjects people get degrees in don't always pay too high either.
Places like Sweden and even Ireland have free Uni education. Education is a right and one of the most important needs to survive, it should be made free or at least really cheap to pay. It was something you'd expect from the schoolboys.
The student loans places mess up too and make the lower income pay for the mistakes, they give loans out to students with parents on a really high income like 60k a year!
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What class are you on about? You are class obsessed and very confused. A sycophant who doffs his cap at the upper class. How sad. Boy we have 'em.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieW
Agreements were being signed all over the place in 1945 to ensure peace. Franco was no threat and it was thought he would not last long.
Does Scotland have free university education, Max?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
More laughs from the Blair Babe! You are obviously incapable of independent thought. You support a capitalist political party and yet you accuse others of hating people because of their race and religion. You support a party which supports rendition flights and the bombing of civillians. You're quite a hypocrite, but carry on by all means. You should learn to laugh at yourself. Everyone else seems to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
Churchill had Cain roots in him, plotting a coup of an Irainian leader just for wanting to nationalise oil, authorising nuclear bomb testing, opposition to Indian independence, the carpet bombing of innocent German's and other regressive stuff industrial wise.
Plus he felt he was owed his Prime Minister time after the war just because of his war efforts the bitter oldtimer.
Plus he should of tried to dress like M.Bison out of street fighter like Tito did.:PDT10
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Why do you have to parade your ignorance? You have no idea why Atlee signed the pact with Franco so why pretend you do? Quick! Have a look at Google and come back and pretend you knew all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways