no.31 Wolverton st is currently up for sale. (Estate agent Priory Properties, Priory rd).
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no.31 Wolverton st is currently up for sale. (Estate agent Priory Properties, Priory rd).
Only one internal pic. I see they didn't mention one former murderous owner either :rolleyes: Mark R will be counting up his coppers tonight :handclap:Quote:
Originally Posted by lindylou
Phew, just a little short of 100K. Well spotted Lindy. A tidy bit more than WHW would have paid for it.
I wonder how many no-intention-of-buying-whatsoever viewings they'll have ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
I was thinking exactly the same thing......
I should have said in my post that no.31 is the Johnston's house next door to the Wallaces who were in no.29.
no.31 is still of great interest to the case though.
even when no.29 was for sale some time ago, the murder wasn't mentioned in the estate agents ad ! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AntiPathos
Now that I think about it, you are of course completely correct ! :retard:Quote:
Originally Posted by lindylou
My fault ! :) I should have made it clear in my post. I was expecting everyone to realise no.31 is the neighbour of Wallace.
.. it's ok ! my husband says I expect everyone to know what I am thinking ! ha,ha. :)
If John Johnston was the murderer you would be right lindylou :)
:nod: :slywink:
William Herbert Wallace was born 130 years ago today
Richard Gordon Parry, Lily Lloyd and John Parkes all went to school here (I also attended it in the 1970's). The school was destroyed by a fire in the Spring of 2005 and was razed to the ground. (Photo Autumn 2001)
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I only joined this site about four weeks ago - and have just spent hours reading this thread. Brilliant!!
Obviously this is a famous Liverpool Murder - one that all of us know about.
My opinion is that Mr Wallace didn't commit the crime. Nor do I think the neighbours were involved. From the information I know I think Richard Parry may have been involved.
The Wallace case is still around today because of the mystery of who did it!
I really, really wish that I knew all the facts - just like everyone else who've commented on this thread.
After reading some of these posts, concerning the property disclosures.. isn't that the law to have to disclose? If someone from afar was buying it.. and had no clue.. wouldn't it have to be told at closing costs? Maybe not when they are trying to sell it? I find this interesting.. any body with that Info..MARK?
There have been a few tenants who managed to get 29 Wolverton Street without even being told of the history of the place. You would think that it would be common knowledge for the agents selling it to notify any potential buyers...but it seems that in the past they haven't. One occupant stated that he didn't know the infamy connected with the house, but wondered why he got the house 'fairly cheaply.' Even when they were buying it (closing costs like you say NL) they weren't notified...Quote:
Originally Posted by naked lilac
Thanks for that Mark.. I find this quite disturbing to think one can buy a home there, or anywhere as a matter of fact, and NOT have a disclosure.. If these new owners finally found out the truth.. wouldn't there be some recourse ? Especially when it comes to property values? Maybe, such a house would have even more value.. then, who knows?
As you once stated...Lots of people walk by and take pics of it.. Right then a there, if the owner had no clue.. Wouldn't you think they would start wondering.. ??? This mystery gets even better.... Carry on....:034:
I've watched a programme called 'Hauntings' it's American. Lots of people appear to have bought houses and not known it's haunted history. Again, like Most haunted, there's nothing ever captured on film, all re-enactments of what's supposed to have happened. Wasn't the world famous Amityville horror house proved to be fake (not the murders obviously, but the subsequent blood rolling down the walls, appearing in the bath tub etc)
None of these fake findings do anything for me in having me believe about the supernatural.
Edgar Lustgarten's Verdict in Dispute is now available online
Internet Archive: Details: Verdict in dispute
Also has a chapter on Florence Maybrick
Thanks for that link Rod:PDT11 Lustgarten is one of my favourite writers. He can really pull the reader into the story and seemingly without any effort!
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Eric Longworth, who played Wallace in the 1975 TV adaptation, died recently, aged 90...
His son mentions his uncanny resemblance to "the killer.."
The Stage / Features / Eric Longworth
more obits...
Obituary: Eric Longworth - Liverpool Daily Post.co.uk
Eric Longworth: actor who played the town clerk in Dad’s Army | Times Online Obituary
Eric Longworth R.I.P. - Britmovie - British Film Forum
Thanks for putting that up Rod. I wrote to him earlier this year but he was obviously not well enough to reply.
Might be worth contacting his son, who seems to have some interest in his Wallace portrayal...
I might do that Rod. Thanks again :PDT11
It might also be worth contacting ITV3 or ITV4 to enquire if there is any chance they could rerun the 1975 drama (tribute to Longworth/Liverpool cuture tagline...).
It's the sort of show they sometimes air...
Yes, that would be a good idea. I'm sure one of the ITV sides could find a slot for it. I'll write to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by RodCrosby
Cottle City Cafe (now an apartments)
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I wrote to ITV regarding them possibly screening WKJW? Here's their reply:
Thank you for your email. There are no plans for the programme to be re-screened on ITV.
Regards
ITV Viewer Services - TT
There you are - abrupt and to the point :disgust: I suppose it must be hard work for them though sifting through the garbage they offer us...Looks like WKJW? will be confined to the dustheap for the forseeable future...
Shame about that, Mark. Was that just ITV1?
I have a contact at ITV3 [I was on Stuart Maconie's "TV Towns" last year, on the Liverpool episode], and will give him a ring...
It was the whole ITV network Rod. Good luck with that.
I think you'll have to impress upon them the fact that you're not enquiring about their "plans" but are seeking to get them to put it in their "plans" :disgust:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark R
Vincent Burke's new book Merseyside Murders and Trials has been recently released. It costs ?12.99 and runs to 148 pages.
Anything on Wallace?
I think there is a chapter on Wallace - he said he would be covering the case in a chapter on it a few months ago. I'll probably get a copy sometime today online - (it's cheaper).
I wonder what "Cryptid Frank" will make of it ? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark R
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Originally Posted by Mark R
I hope it's a better outcome than his dvd on the case.
I managed to get a copy. The chapters in order are:
1) A Call to Murder - The Wallace Case
2) Married to a Killer? - Florence Maybrick
3) James Maybrick - Ripper Suspect
4) When the Price is Murder - Multiple Murders in Liverpool
5) The Hypnotic Killer - The Trial of Joseph Clarke
6) Till Death Do Us Part - The Case of Nurse Jones
7) Killed By Kindness - Murder at the Old Curiosity Shop
8) And then the Lights Went Out - The Murder of Mary Hagan
9) Little Nelly - The Sad Death of Nelly Clarke
10) Of Blood and Petals - The Murder of Alice Rimmer
11) A Good Woman Who Suffered a Ghastly Death - A Killing in Old Hall Street
12) Murder of a Back Street Madam - Death in the Tempest Hey Manicure Lounge
13) And then the Angels Wept - A Tale of Two Tragedies in New Brighton
14) The Armed Assailant - The Cameo Cinema Murders
Without trying to be pedantic about it there are some flaws in the chapter on the Wallace murder. (I am not having a go at Vincent Burke here - this is not a criticism - I would just like to point them out).
pp.1 "53 year old WHW" (He was 52)
pp.1 "Julia was of a similar age" (She was 17 years older than Wallace)
pp.1 "R.A. Qualtrough" (Should be R.M. Qualtrough)
pp.2 "Wallace's final stop was at the post office before heading home" (Wallace's actual final stop was Allday's Newsagents)
pp.3 "The Johnstons waited in the back kitchen as Wallace made his way through the house" (Not so - they waited in the back yard)
pp.3 "Julia's body lay on the carpet, facing towards the fireplace" (She was actually facing towards the piano and away from the fireplace)
pp.4 "Wallace rushed upstairs to inspect another box containing insurance premiums" (Although it could be argued - Wallace himself said he kept the insurance money/premiums in the box in the kitchen downstairs)
pp.7 [Text accompanying the photo] "The room in which Julia was murdered" (The actual photo shows the kitchen where the cash box was situated - Julia was killed in the front parlour)
pp.15 "Richard Gordon Parry was 21 at the time of the murder" (He was 22)
It is a well written account though and Burke gives us his expertise on the legal side of the case.
Such elementary errors are pretty unforgivable though. Has he corrected his times from the ones he spouted on the Billy Butler show?
Yes. He does say Wallace left at 6.45 on the evening of 20th January. Also in the acknowledgements it mentions The Murder of Julia Wallace by Thomas Murphy...I bet James Murphy was happy about that...Although that could be down to the editor...