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    All Saints' Church

    There are registers at All Saints that date from 1557. These are among the earliest in the country. The Norris family of Speke Hall use to attend here. There was once a weird 'child marraige' here in 1544 when Anne, a nine year old daughter William Whitfield was married to Thomas Fletcher aged ten. The reason? The boy's farther John was in debt and to get some money he, 'bargained his sonne to the said Whitfield's daughter.










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    Kev.
    Next time you are passing, get a picture of the entrance gate, I think it is called a Lytch gate, I'll have to look that up. From what I remember there are not many examples left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shytalk View Post
    Kev.
    Next time you are passing, get a picture of the entrance gate, I think it is called a Lytch gate, I'll have to look that up. From what I remember there are not many examples left.
    This one?

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    No kev,hard to explain it, I will look for a pic of one.


    http://www.history.uk.com/churches/index.php?archive=2

    Scroll down, it is the gate with a roof on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shytalk View Post
    Kev.
    Next time you are passing, get a picture of the entrance gate, I think it is called a Lytch gate, I'll have to look that up. From what I remember there are not many examples left.
    you're right. There are not many about. If I'm not mistaken there may be one at the church in Port Sunlight village. (I don't know the name of the church). I'm sure a friend of mine mentioned it when we looking around there.

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    Our church in Garston has got a Lych gate Kev. It's the gate up the side in Banks Road with the little roof over it. It was a resting place for the coffins. Did you manage to get inside All Saints? It really is interesting. There is still a wall from the medieval church and evidence of the piscina that the priest used to wash the chalice when the church was Catholic before the Reformation. There are brasses from the Norris family. There was no church between that one and Prescot in the middle ages and you can still see the church at Prescot from the car park next to All Saints. There is a resting place for the coffins there and the hatchments inside are really interesting. The church is quite often open and it is well worth a look to see how we used to live (well not my ancestors cos we were poor).

    Take a picture of our church lych gate - our church is great.

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    sweetpatooti, That is interesting, I thought that Childwall Church was the only pre reformation church in the city, learn something new every day on this forum.
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    Hiya Shytalk - the present church building of St Michael Garston was built in 1874 but there has been a church on the site since the 13th Century. Pre-reformation it was dedicated to St Wilfred. The Lytch gate is there and the graveyard has some very interesting and old tombstones. There is a book called "Garston and it's Church" by Canon Swift published in the 30s and has recently been published again with the aid of the Garston Historical Society. The Church's day school, Garston Church of England School, began in 1716. It's dead interesting Garston.

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    A ghost in front of All Saints,

    Childwall:



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    The Lytch gate in Childwall, I've only got a view from the tower nothing up close.

    It is the oldest lytch gate in the graveyard set in to the West wall. The date 1728 is carved upon the central column and the gate has been in continuous use from that date onwards.
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    Just found the below in my collection too - the same lytch gate from 1845.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    A ghost in front of All Saints, Childwall:



    Did you take that picture Kev?

    Wavertree is a delightful area and is really much more than the historic High Street area. Did you know the original Wavertree township extended as far as Druid's Cross Rd? I only wish the whole of the High St street could have an aesthetic make over to remove much of the 20th C over enthusiastic use of garish paint and signs. Here are a few photos I took a couple of years ago including one of the now lost, due to vandalism, pillar box on Sandown Lane
    When did Druid's Cross become part of Allerton?
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    Never actually been to the old heart of Childwall; should get down there one day though, looks rather interesting!
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    I was christened in that church. As children, we would frequently play in-and-around Childwall woods. We would proceed down 'devil's gorge' and up onto the 'island'. And we would occasionally sneak around the burial ground looking for ghosts. I never did see one, and that is because there is no such thing.

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    Ste when did you live there? as i did the same thing

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    This is late 1970s early 1980s - when one could visit the outdoor stables along Childwall Lane. There were some good chestnut trees there too. Smashing conkers. But with all the mud, you risked your footwear trying to retrieve them.

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    Same time as me mate. I helped out in the riding stables. do you remember the grave for the dog in childwall woods?

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    Faintly... now you come to mention it. Was it also a ghost dog after dusk? And then there was something about a fallen tree that attracted devil worshipers. Hmm.

    I will share with you two of my worst experiences in them there woods, and both of them very real. On one occasion, myself and two friends thought it an excellent idea to build a 'super secret' den (our last effort compromised). Everything was carrying on as normal until a strange male shot out before us: 'What on earth do you think you are doing,' he barked at us. 'Mr, we're only building a den,' we responded somewhat nervously. This individual then identified himself as an undercover police officer, and he proceeded to speak firmly into a handheld radio. Um, except it wasn't a personal radio -- upon closer inspection, I recognised it as a portable shaving appliance! 'Please God help me,' I thought. 'This guy is talking into a battery charged shaver'. He was obviously disturbed. The first of my two friends recognised the danger and we both looked at each other as if to say 'let's get out of here.' Unfortunately my third friend was awestruck and he kept asking questions about the police. It took ten minutes before we could pull him away, and then we legged it out of the woods to safety.

    On a separate occasion, a few years later, myself and a friend stumbled into a large group of children approximately our own age and size. It quickly became obvious they were not there to play nice. For no apparent reason, one of them punched my friend in the face, and he bolted out of the woods at great speed, crying. I wanted desperately to run off with him, but was unable, being far too slow. So I remained behind in a frozen state, opting instead to appease this group by maligning my friend. 'What a wuss!' It didn't work. Soon they were pairing me up with a chubby chap for a bare-knuckle fistfight. I stood motionless as he landed several blows to my body and head. What the hell. I collapsed to the floor, pretending to be fatally injured. It worked, and they decided that I had taken enough.

    I didn't return to Childwall woods until a long time after that. People went there looking for fun, but all too often they found themselves dodging trouble.

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    Thats horrible Ste, so sorry it happened.

    I know what you mean some right gits hung around there at times. It happened to 2 of us on the loopline. a gang of lads and girls came along as we where swinging on a rope from a tree and started pelting us with the stones from the track( track still down then ) i remember the girls egging them on to kick our heads in. we had to push through bushes and climb into someones garden to get away. places that seemed exciting where so dangerous really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Tony. Didn't you tell me once that you had a Remmington R10?
    Not me Ged. is it a shaver?

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    Or do you mean a close shave

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    I just remember you saying you escaped by a whisker.
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    Just been up to the Church for a public meeting to find out what is going on with the rumoured plans for demolition work!

    The facts so far is that the PCC have decided that the Church Hall is to be demolished (opposite the pub) and sold off for houses! The new church hall may well be built on the Bloody Acre next to the Graveyard destroying the wildlife and view of the rolling countryside.

    There may also be a side extension to the church which will run through the graveyard too.

    I've got to get my facts and figures and maps and drawings correct so I think this may be all be explained better in a website, but as you can imagine, this will destroy the village feel to the area, and a massive blow to the area in which we will lose even more green space!

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    Is Bloody Acre Field actually used for anything? Last time I was down there (a few months ago) it was just a overgrown bramble field - hardly a spot of natural beauty, especially considering Childwall fields just up the road where there are some splendid views on a clear day.

    Unless the people of the parish get together and keep bloody acre in a nice state and use it for recreation I can't see any reason why the authorities would want to keep it. If it was actually used for something then I think your task Cad would be easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fortinian View Post
    Is Bloody Acre Field actually used for anything? Last time I was down there (a few months ago) it was just a overgrown bramble field - hardly a spot of natural beauty, especially considering Childwall fields just up the road where there are some splendid views on a clear day.

    Unless the people of the parish get together and keep bloody acre in a nice state and use it for recreation I can't see any reason why the authorities would want to keep it. If it was actually used for something then I think your task Cad would be easier.
    The bloody acre is home to a family of foxes that come 'home' each year as they have done for the last 10 years that I've been taking pictures of them. The land is actually owned by Lord Salisbury and has never been built on since the 'Childwall riots' in the 1600's. The deed states that this land would only ever be used as an extension to the graveyard when needed and not for any building at all. If they wanted to build, they would have to demolish the 'pub' car park, but seeing that the car park is owned by the City Council and was put there in the 1930's 'purely for somewhere to park for people visiting Childwall', I don't think they've got a hope.

    The authorities want to keep it simply because of the scores of people who died on that field and there is a covenant on the field that it cannot be built on.

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    I don't know if this site has been posted before - apologies if it has - but I found the pics very interesting.


    Childwall

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    Hiya Dave. It's a great site isn't it and is Cadfael's who posted just above you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Hiya Dave. It's a great site isn't it and is Cadfael's who posted just above you.

    Amazing similarities !! Do you think they're related?


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