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    My father preceded my mother and I in coming to the United States and attached is his immigration passenger arrival list. My father sailed from Southampton in September 1954 aboard the Queen Elizabeth. He went to a place called CRI in Reisterstown, northwest of Baltimore, Maryland, where, as a physiotherapist, he went to work with cerebal palsy children. My mother, Yoria C. George, and I (age seven) sailed from Liverpool in January 1955 aboard the Saxonia. I can remember that my mom's cousins who had a greengrocers and produce company supplying the ships with meat, filled the cabin with carnations. After a bad passage during which my mother was ill most of the time, we arrived in cold but blue-skied New York City, and my father was there to meet us.

    I can remember being taken up the Empire State Building and places such as an automat, where you were served sandwiches in little windows-- it seemed the latest in luxury and modern conveniences. Also after arrival, it was a miracle to find that supermarkets had doors that opened for you.

    We traveled by train to Baltimore and stayed with Miss Flavin, who worked with my father, at her row house (terraced house) on Guilford Avenue, which is the address that is shown on the immigration document for my mother and myself. Although we lived in Wallingford, Connecticut, for a year until the hospital where Dad worked declared bankruptcy, and I also came back to Liverpool to go to school (Rose Lane and Quarry Bank) we lived most of the time in the Baltimore, Maryland area, where I still live, close to the Johns Hopkins University campus.

    My father died in 1979 of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. My mother, age 86, is still alive and living in a senior citizen high rise in downtown Baltimore about fifteen minutes away by car. Baltimore, by the way, used to be known as the "Liverpool of the East Coast of America" and there are similarities -- both seaports with a big working class population, row houses here, terraced houses in Liverpool, and the people have a nice sense of humor similar to Scousers.

    The first graphic below represents one of Baltimore's finest moments, when Fort McHenry in Baltimore harbor withstood the British naval bombardment of 1814, prompting Georgetown lawyer Francis Scott Key to write the poem, "The Star-Spangled Banner" the words of which became the lyrics of the U.S. national anthem in 1932, to the music of an eighteenth century British drinking song, to "Anacraeon in Heaven." Also shown is a recent view of Baltimore's popular Inner Harbor.

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    Fort McHenry, Baltimore, September 1814, by Dale Gallon. The painting represents the moment the large Star-Spangled Banner was raised on the morning of September 15, 1814 when it was realised that the British were withdrawing. A ropewalk near Fells Point in the city of Baltimore is seen burning to the northeast at top right of the picture. The American garrison is seen cheering on the ramparts. Image courtesy of the Patriots of Fort McHenry.



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    This shows the condominium apartment building at 3800 Canterbury Road, Baltimore where my wife Donna and I have lived for the past 13 years. Our apartment is the one with the balcony on the right (3rd floor).



    A side view of our condominium apartment building at 3800 Canterbury Road, Baltimore. Looking south up the road toward the Johns Hopkins University stadium in the disance. You see how our smaller building is dwarfed by some of the neighboring apartment buildings!



    Scatter of holly berries on the snow opposite the Broadview Apartments. There has been a sharp, frigid wind since the snowfall on Tuesday and Wednesday. However the local robins have been attacking the hollies and ivy to get berries so it could have been their doing as well that so many berries are scattered on the ground. The poor things must be ravenous in this freeze.

    See "Berry Beak" by poet and photographer Leslie F. Miller. See my blog for more on the difference between the small European robin and the bigger American robin.

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    Very nice indeed Chris, its always nice to see where others live.

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    Chris, I had a section ages ago for this sort of thing way be before we were Yo! Maybe we could resurrect it if members will use it.
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    I remember the expats thread on Scouseology, there was people posting from Canada, New Zealand and Australia.
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    Thanks, Brenda, Max, and Kev. Shytalk mentioned last night that we might start an expats thread. Kev, I really don't mind if you want to merge this thread with the old one or just restart from here. I think such a thread gives us expats somewhere to express ourselves and also to provide useful information and guidance to anyone who is considering emigrating or coming on a tourist visa to our respective farflung lands.

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    Give me some help as to which forum I should put the sub forum in... 'People, Culture and Communities'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Give me some help as to which forum I should put the sub forum in... 'People, Culture and Communities'?
    That sounds fine, Kev, although since our communities are overseas communities, would that work? Maybe a whole new area as you did with the creative expression area? By the way, I think merging with your old thread might be good if you can do it as I would like to meet more of the expats as I am sure others would as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    That sounds fine, Kev, although since our communities are overseas communities, would that work? Maybe a whole new area as you did with the creative expression area? By the way, I think merging with your old thread might be good if you can do it as I would like to meet more of the expats as I am sure others would as well.

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    Chris, the 'old thread' existed as part of scouseology.com and was lost when we had the 'hacking' incident.

    I'll have a think about this one. I'll deffo add it, just where, hmmm.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Chris, the 'old thread' existed as part of scouseology.com and was lost when we had the 'hacking' incident.

    I'll have a think about this one. I'll deffo add it, just where, hmmm.....
    Hi Kev

    I personally don't mind if you keep the thread right here in the lounge, but whatever you decide, I think there should be such a thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shytalk View Post
    I moved to Arkansas when I retired at the end of last March. I had been in Florida for 25 years and needed a change, it was getting way too overpopulated and the roads were so crowded it was no fun driving any more.
    I have been visiting the Ozark mountain area since 1976 and love it so I decided this is where I wanted to be. Property prices were another incentive houses here cost 20% of what the do in Florida.
    The first pics are Heinz investigating the first snow he has ever seen, first I have seen in 25 years. The bird on the feeder is a Cardinal, we get a good selection of birds here.
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    Interesting pics and information, Shy! I think I mentioned by PM that one of my poet friends is a lady who now lives in Virginia and who grew up in the county next to yours in Arkansas.

    I love those red cardinals. Can't get enough of them.

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    Thanks for posting pics Shy and Chris. It's nice to see somewhere different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shytalk View Post
    We get a lot of Bluejays too, I agree, very pretty. I think they might be aggressive though because I never see another bird on the feeder when a Bluejay is there. I've seen a few around recently but not as many as in the summer.
    Hi Sloyne and Shy

    I've seen a few blue jays of late here in Maryland. A pretty bird and I agree that the other birds stay away from them, perhaps because they are a member of the crow family and are seen as predators. By the way, Sloyne do you have any information or thoughts about the fact that there are black squirrels in Canada -- I have seen them on the Canadian side of Niagara Falls -- while most at least mid-Atlantic east coast squirrels are gray squirrels? I have though seen black squirrels in the grounds of the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland, outside of Washington, DC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    do you have any information or thoughts about the fact that there are black squirrels in Canada
    They, the black squirrels, came to Canada on the squirrel underground "Freedom railroad". Having been exploited in the Southern US states, including Merrihlind, by the evil gray squirrels they decided to escape and come north to freedom.

    Well! it's only a theory.

    They are the very same genus as the grays, some of their coats change to grey in the winter. I wondered that aswell but was told the above by a vet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    I remember the expats thread on Scouseology, there was people posting from Canada, New Zealand and Australia.
    Hi Max! Some of us are still here!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    By the way, Sloyne do you have any information or thoughts about the fact that there are black squirrels in Canada -- I have seen them on the Canadian side of Niagara Falls -- while most at least mid-Atlantic east coast squirrels are gray squirrels?
    Hi Chris
    The attached web site is quite informative on the eastern grey squirrel. http://www.hww.ca/hww2.asp?id=89

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    Here are some cellphone photographs of the light snow covering we received yesterday in Washington, D.C., the first snow of the year in the Baltimore-Washingon metro region. My Samsung camera is out for the count... maybe needs a new memory card - I change batteries and it just seems dead, and i don't have a power cord (got the cam second hand). If anybody has any ideas, let me know.

    All the pics are at Union Station after I was dropped off by the red cab driven by Eddie the Baseball Umpire.

    We begin with a shot of pansies in a flowerbox covered by the snow through shots of the front of the station and forecourt with taxis and buses and the Columbus monument in the distance, ending with a shot of one of the three large Christmas wreaths hung on the station facade before I ran for my train to Baltimore!

















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    Thanks for showing us the pictures Chris, it's always nice to see another place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    Thanks for showing us the pictures Chris, it's always nice to see another place.
    Thanks, Lindy. Not the greatest pics but at least they give you an idea of what the place is like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    By the way, Sloyne do you have any information or thoughts about the fact that there are black squirrels in Canada -- I have seen them on the Canadian side of Niagara Falls -- while most at least mid-Atlantic east coast squirrels are gray squirrels? I have though seen black squirrels in the grounds of the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland, outside of Washington, DC.

    Chris
    Last summer, we saw lots of black squirrels way across the other side of Canada on Cortes Island, near Vancouver Island. They're beautiful, just like English red squirrels in appearance, not at all like the Greys that are now everywhere here and have seen off the reds apart from in protected reserves such as that at Formby.

    http://www.bwpics.co.uk/gallery/cortez/cortez.html

    Great to see where you live by the way, Chris. My daughter and family are in Fairfax VA, also near Washington DC.
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    Thanks, Steve. Yes indeed Fairfax, Virginia, is just down the road from here. Let me know sometime when you are in the area and maybe we can get together. The following pic of pink dogwood was taken by me last year. You probably know that Spring is a lovely time of year here.

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    Hi all

    I have been learning some fascinating details about my father's side of the family. Some of you may recall that in an article that appeared in Ripperologist about Southwest Lancashire coroner Sir Samuel Brighouse, who oversaw the inquests on the body of James Maybrick (May 1889) and the wife and children of Frederick Deeming (March 1892), I mentioned that Brighouse also was in charge of the inquest on my father's brother Edward Pointon George, who was killed at age 24 when his motorcycle collided with a motorized wagon in Warrington, Lancashire, in January 1933. Brighouse was one of the longest-serving English coroners of all time, appointed 1884 and serving until his death at age 90 years on January 15, 1940.

    Now, having received a CD with much more family history on it compiled by my cousin Rex and sent to me through the kindness of another cousin, Haydn, I now know that my great great grandfather Edward Leech George lived on Turner Street, Mile End Old Town, Stepney, London, in the 1830's and 1840's. Turner Street runs alongside the west side of London Hospital and thus is just a short walk from Buck's Row (now Winthrop Street) where Mary Ann "Polly" Nichols was killed in the early morning hours of August 31, 1888. Edward Leech George was born in Caister-on-Sea, Norfolk, in 1810. He would become a "tidewaiter" (curious term!) while he and his wife Sarah and family lived in London, and thereafter he was employed as a tidal surveyor in Plymouth and Liverpool, working for the Customs Service (vide Robert D'Onston Stephenson).

    My great grandfather Edward George, born in London in 1838, was a secretary to a hospital and later assistant overseer of the township of Toxteth Park, Liverpool. In the later nineteenth century, he his wife and family would live in Admiral Street, Dingle, Liverpool, close to where Ringo Starr (Richard Starkey) would later grow up. Edward George died at 20 Admiral Street, Dingle, on August 17, 1888.

    My paternal grandfather, Albert Edward George, a bank clerk, born December 22, 1876, would marry my grandmother, Birtles Pointon (born Douglas, Isle of Man, on August 26, 1876), at St. Silas Church, High Park Street, Dingle, Liverpool, on September 16, 1907. This church was located near the Empress Pub where the below photograph of Donna and my friend Gerard Fleming was taken. I was unaware of all this information when I took the photo in May 2007. This is the pub on the cover of Ringo's 1970 album, "Sentimental Journal." The church was damaged in an air raid during World War II and demolished in the 1950's. A granddaughter of Edward George had the wonderfully delicious name of Lulu L'Strange!

    All the best

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    Speaks for itself. One of the things I did during the recent whirlwind trip that Donna and I made to the England and Northern Ireland.

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    Nice one Chris, fascinating.

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    Thanks, Pablo. After I gave the talk referred to in St. Bronagh's Social Hall in Rostrevor, the BBC Northern Ireland guy on hand asked myself and two Ross descendants to go back to the monument for interviews. It was absolutely blowing a gale but not raining. In the end though the tapes did not get used and they used about a minute and a half of my friend Dr McCavitt talking about the White House scorch marks!

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    Excellent Chris.Well done
    Where do you find the time ?

    By the way, what is a "tidewaiter" ? I've never heard of it before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsaZappathing View Post
    Excellent Chris.Well done
    Where do you find the time ?

    By the way, what is a "tidewaiter" ? I've never heard of it before.
    Thanks, John.

    The answer is I don't find the time. It's very difficult but I somehow manage it. I imagine Mrs Z is in a similar position with her activities, yes?

    As for "tidewaiter" here's a definition kindly provided by Bernie here at Yo Liverpool:

    Tidewaiter, n. A customs officer who boards incoming ships at a harbor

    and Eric Lester on a poetry site I frequent provided this definition from Webster's 1913:

    Tidewaiter, n. A customhouse officer who watches the landing of goods from merchant vessels, in order to secure payment of duties.

    Thanks for your interest and support, John.

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    Loved reading your story Chris. Imagine who terrified your poor Mum must have been, taking on that long, long journey with kids, from everything she had known. I hope she, and your siblings, were all happy . Nice to hear about Baltimore and the comparisions with Liverpool. I know "The Wire" represents a small part of Baltimore, which has obviously suffered the sort of decline Liverpool did, but do you recognise that representation of that part as accurate? It would be good to hear from someone who lives there. I know Baltimore used to be very posh in Victorian times and obviously still have some lovely buildings. Where would be a good place to stay within the City for a tourist thingy

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Thanks, John.

    The answer is I don't find the time. It's very difficult but I somehow manage it. I imagine Mrs Z is in a similar position with her activities, yes?

    As for "tidewaiter" here's a definition kindly provided by Bernie here at Yo Liverpool:

    Tidewaiter, n. A customs officer who boards incoming ships at a harbor

    Thanks for your interest and support, John.

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    It keeps Mrs Z quiet which is a good thing
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