Toxteth District

[Ben]

I'm secular but accept the sentiment!

As am I, cheers.

Have I not said i'm Toxteth born and bred? Well I am

So am I.

Are you a member of the gentry?
If not, i'd give some second thoughts about coming home ;-)

[AngelCake]

So am I.

Great.Doubt we haave anyone in common though!

[PhilipG]

Lodge Lane (as a name, at least) was deemed so undesirable by some of its own residents that they had their part renamed Sefton Park Road!
This happened in the 1920s, or even earlier, so, ironically, the Lodge which gave Lodge Lane its name is now in Sefton Park Road.

Heysmoor Heights was "rebranded" so many years ago that I've forgotten what its original name was.

Lark Lane was once a rough area?
That's news to me.

The reference to the bingo hall in Lodge Lane.
Was that a selling point?
Because the majority of bingo patrons have always been (comparitively) poor, middle-aged women.

[Ben]

Lodge Lane (as a name, at least) was deemed so undesirable by some of its own residents that they had their part renamed Sefton Park Road!
This happened in the 1920s, or even earlier, so, ironically, the Lodge which gave Lodge Lane its name is now in Sefton Park Road.

Heysmoor Heights was "rebranded" so many years ago that I've forgotten what its original name was.

Lark Lane was once a rough area?
That's news to me.

The reference to the bingo hall in Lodge Lane.
Was that a selling point?
Because the majority of bingo patrons have always been (comparitively) poor, middle-aged women.

There was a lobby to call the ASDA (on Smithdown Road) to call it ASDA - Toxteth (as if it would make a difference to such a multi national). The choice was made to call it ASDA - Sefton Park.

The name would certainly have not made a difference to ASDA (or WAL*MART PLC). It may have made a difference to Toxteth. (At the very least to those who view it as a place to be eradicated and replaced).

Outside perceptions count - for anyone in the historic borough of Toxteth they really count.

Unfortunately.

[PhilipG]

The precedent had already been broken because the surgery which is close to ASDA is the Sefton Park Surgery.
My doctor, actually, and the surgery used to be in Ullet Road, which is a lot nearer to Sefton Park, but it was just called "Surgery" then, (but that was in the 1970s).

I wonder what area the proposed Tesco in Park Road is going to be?
What's the betting it'll be "Prince's Park"?
Going back well before the riots, the Gaumont cinema on the corner of Dingle Lane was always called (in the 'biz') the Gaumont, Prince's Park, not the Gaumont, Dingle, which is what all the locals called it.

[Ben]

Let the market sort it out. If there is a demand the houses will be bought out out and people will move in to renovate or demolish/rebuild. London and parts of the USA has seen a lot of this.

You're absolutely right.

It's like the issue of filling in the docks. London and parts of the USA has seen a lot of this also.

Not to worry though - market forces will sort it out.
(You never know, they may even build new arena on one of them, can't complain though eh..... )

Fool.

[Waterways]

Great.Doubt we haave anyone in common though!

I doubt it.

[shytalk]

You're absolutely right.

It's like the issue of filling in the docks. London and parts of the USA has seen a lot of this also.

Not to worry though - market forces will sort it out.
(You never know, they may even build new arena on one of them, can't complain though eh..... )

Fool.

What parts of the USA are you referring to?

[Waterways]

You're absolutely right.

It's like the issue of filling in the docks. London and parts of the USA has seen a lot of this also.

Where?

Not to worry though - market forces will sort it out.

Market forces may sort out Lodge Lane, however I doubt it.

(You never know, they may even build new arena on one of them, can't complain though eh..... )

Many can complain. The arena looks naff in design and colour - a big mistake. When it starts up just think of all the fleets of coaches moving in and out. How fabulous. Leaving the waters as they were and building around them was the better option and putting the area at the end of the Wapping Tunnel.

Fool.

Obnoxious as well...

[Waterways]

The precedent had already been broken because the surgery which is close to ASDA is the Sefton Park Surgery.
My doctor, actually, and the surgery used to be in Ullet Road, which is a lot nearer to Sefton Park, but it was just called "Surgery" then, (but that was in the 1970s).

I wonder what area the proposed Tesco in Park Road is going to be?
What's the betting it'll be "Prince's Park"?
Going back well before the riots, the Gaumont cinema on the corner of Dingle Lane was always called (in the 'biz') the Gaumont, Prince's Park, not the Gaumont, Dingle, which is what all the locals called it.

Toxteth is a large area with sub areas in it. No one ever referred to Toxteth, just the sub areas within. If anyone ever asked where you lived, you never said Toxteth, no more than you would say Liverpool, as it was too big.

[Ben]

You're absolutely right.
It's like the issue of filling in the docks. London and parts of the USA has seen a lot of this also.

Where?

Surrey Commercial Docks - (London)
Graving Dock - (part of the USA) ;-)

Not to worry though - market forces will sort it out.

Market forces may sort out Lodge Lane, however I doubt it.

Your solution - read up - was to leave it to market forces ......

Actually - to save you looking :

Let the market sort it out.

It's staggering that you even bother to read a thread about an area that you evidently couldn't care less about.....

(You never know, they may even build new arena on one of them, can't complain though eh..... )

Many can complain. The arena looks naff in design and colour - a big mistake. When it starts up just think of all the fleets of coaches moving in and out. How fabulous. Leaving the waters as they were and building around them was the better option and putting the area at the end of the Wapping Tunnel.

Leave to market forces ...You get my point yet?
Just because Lodge Lane isn't as dear to your heart as a dock, it happens to be the area I live in.
FWIW - I like the new Arena. I raised it to make a point - which I hope has registered.

Fool.

Obnoxious as well...

For this I apologise - it's beneath me.

[Ben]

What parts of the USA are you referring to?

I appreciate that you want specifics here ... for one example, see my reply above to that Waterways chap.

The point being made, irrespective of whether 1 or 1 million docks have been filled in, was that a flippant 'let the market sort it out' comment about the area in which I live wasn't something I appreciated.

I selected the infill of the docks as, looking at his signature, I thought that the point might be understood if compared to something he appears to care about.

The point was either missed - or as a means of backtracking, he resorted to pedantry ..... 'which docks ....' ....oh dear.

[Ged]

We pay taxes to let the council sort it out - not continually being told there's no money to (ie. Garden festival site) so sit it out leaving a dump waiting for private investment to get us out the s*%t

[Waterways]

Just because Lodge Lane isn't as dear to your heart as a dock, it happens to be the area I live in.

Members of my family lived off it. I am familiar with Lodge lane. And I would not like to live around there these days. You do, I don't.

FWIW - I like the new Arena.

I thought you would for some reason.

For this I apologise - it's beneath me.

[Waterways]

'let the market sort it out' comment about the area in which I live wasn't something I appreciated.

Why should Lodge Lane be immune from market forces? State aid for the place?