Toxteth District

[Waterways]

Appealing to whom?

Anyone. The current road is not - to anyone.

[Ben]

Anyone. The current road is not - to anyone.

Your solution?

[Waterways]

Your solution?

Let the market sort it out. If there is a demand the houses will be bought out out and people will move in to renovate or demolish/rebuild. London and parts of the USA has seen a lot of this.

[AngelCake]

Indeed.
I didn't want to get drawn in to a debate defending the poorer parts of Lodge Lane which are, as Waterways pointed out, the Smithdown Road end.
I thought it illustrated my point a little though, how such a prime location road/area can evoke such emotions amongst those who do not live here.

There are places in Liverpool I consider personal 'no go' areas that no doubt someone on here will be happy to champion as areas just starved government attention. I'd be surprised if I found out they were in such close proximity to the town centre and the city's largest park however...

When considering Liverpool no go areas most people would consider Toxteth at the top of the list rather than Norris green or Kensington. I guess some people feel more scared in a mixed race area

[Ben]

This is a genuine question by the way - my point, throughout this whole thing, is that Lodge Lane has a perfect location ...... just sitting and saying it should look nice seems to be oversimplifying the debate a tad.

[taffy]

I realise that I may be jumping in on a point that you are making that's just part of your debate with AngelCake - but, if you don't mind me asking, would you consider the gentrification (your word) of Lodge Lane a good thing?

Really it would be a case of re-gentrification. There is and was some very nice property in the Lodge Lane area. After all Liverpool's well known Public School, Liverpool College, re-located itself on Lodge Lane in the late 19th C.

Lark Lane was of course once a very rough area. It was not just for the sake of it that the Aigburth Vale Police station was relocated to Lark Lane in the last quarter of the 19th C.

[Ben]

When considering Liverpool no go areas most people would consider Toxteth at the top of the list rather than Norris green or Kensington. I guess some people feel more scared in a mixed race area

Seriously?

Many years of being a student and after living in rented accommodation for a while - the 'no go' areas were Edge Lane (7 years ago) then Kensington (4 years ago) ....

I can't speak for the perception of those areas these days as I've settled in Toxteth.

I am genuinely surprised by that response.

[john]

When considering Liverpool no go areas most people would consider Toxteth at the top of the list rather than Norris green or Kensington. I guess some people feel more scared in a mixed race area

Everywhere is a mix race area now or do you mean black area?

[AngelCake]

Seriously?

Many years of being a student and after living in rented accommodation for a while - the 'no go' areas were Edge Lane (7 years ago) then Kensington (4 years ago) ....

I can't speak for the perception of those areas these days as I've settled in Toxteth.

I am genuinely surprised by that response.

Being from Toxteth is still seen as a negative thing.The last time someone made a silly comment about it was 3 days ago! It's not strictly connected but when I was ill a surgeon once made a quip about living in the good part of Ullet road

[Ben]

When considering Liverpool no go areas most people would consider Toxteth at the top of the list rather than Norris green or Kensington. I guess some people feel more scared in a mixed race area

Sorry - re-reading your post AngelCake you are just making a (valid) observation from an external view.
I thought initially that it was what you considered more a no-go area, which was the bit that surprised me.

Granted, Toxteth, Moss Side, Peckham will always set off alarm bells for certain people. A large proportion of the population in those places are black. Most of those areas have suffered times of great poverty. People pick their prejudices for their own reasons. Those two I listed aren't, in my opinion, valid reasons for prejudice.

[AngelCake]

Everywhere is a mix race area now or do you mean black area?

The north end is traditionally more white than south Liverpool. Toxteth has always been the most racially mixed part of Liverpool,not just a black area.

[AngelCake]

Sorry - re-reading your post AngelCake you are just making a (valid) observation from an external view.
I thought initially that it was what you considered more a no-go area, which was the bit that surprised me.

Granted, Toxteth, Moss Side, Peckham will always set off alarm bells for certain people. A large proportion of the population in those places are black. Most of those areas have suffered times of great poverty. People pick their prejudices for their own reasons. Those two I listed aren't, in my opinion, valid reasons for prejudice.

Have I not said i'm Toxteth born and bred? Well I am It's nice in parts like any other city!

[Ben]

It's nice in parts like any other city!

Amen to that :-)

[AngelCake]

I'm secular but accept the sentiment!

[Waterways]

Have I not said i'm Toxteth born and bred? Well I am

So am I.