Toxteth District

[PhilipG]

Unles someone is logging on as me,I didn't mention "Salt of the earth" people. I'm talking about High Park street mainly but the whole area needs more help.

I'm sorry about that.
I've just checked, and it wasn't you who mentioned "Salt of the earth" people.
What you did say was (IMHO) rather harsh.

All of Liverpool needs more help.
We all know that.

[Kev]

All of Liverpool needs more help.
We all know that.

Parts Phil, only parts.

[marky]

Here's a few random planning applications around Toxteth: Time to get the camera out before it's too late.

St Peters Church, High Park Street. (To demolish church and erect 33 apartments. 4/10/2007 no decision yet)

All the following applications have been passed, but not yet acted upon...apartments/houses to be built.
Crows Nest pub, Mill Street (already demolished)
The Hollow pub, Mill Street (still standing)
Royal George pub (Blacks), Park Road (still standing)
Former old peoples home, Park Street/Upper Essex Street (to refurbish and extend for apartments)

[lindylou]

Rows of shops invariably close down when nearby supermarkets open due mainly of course to the competition. I know publishers and small bookshops who tell me they cannot compete with supermarkets selling books. Small clothes shops are effected by Asda's George (Dunn's, Peacocks etc etc) Wilkinsons do hardware and household stuff of course so it's not just the usual food supermarkets who sell everything these days that have an impact on the local rows of shops. I use supermarkets for the family big shop but inevitably have to use smaller shops for day to day items and stuff we've forgotten.

It's true. I was talking to the one remaining fishmonger in St John's market;
I remember when it was a proper fishmarket with all stalls occupied on both sides of that avenue - now there is one solitary stall left. The fishmonger told me it was the result of the supermarkets taking over.
I commented on how you can't buy fresh fish in Anfield, or anywhere in the surrounding districts - we used to have 2 fish shops in Anfield - Priory rd and Breck rd - my mum reminded me that there were in fact 4 in the district at one time. He went on to tell us that, outside of St John's market, there are only 3 remaining shops open for business in L'pool .. it makes you think.

There are fewer butchers left now - I think there are only 2 or 3 left in my area - one on Priory rd that is just about surviving, and 1 or maybe 2 on Breck rd.
the large deli shop next to Barclays bank closed down recently - none can compete since the Breck rd Asda opened.
Even the little florist by the library had to close - - Asda sells flowers and plants too !

[ChrisGeorge]

It's true. I was talking to the one remaining fishmonger in St John's market;
I remember when it was a proper fishmarket with all stalls occupied on both sides of that avenue - now there is one solitary stall left. The fishmonger told me it was the result of the supermarkets taking over.
I commented on how you can't buy fresh fish in Anfield, or anywhere in the surrounding districts - we used to have 2 fish shops in Anfield - Priory rd and Breck rd - my mum reminded me that there were in fact 4 in the district at one time. He went on to tell us that, outside of St John's market, there are only 3 remaining shops open for business in L'pool .. it makes you think.

There are fewer butchers left now - I think there are only 2 or 3 left in my area - one on Priory rd that is just about surviving, and 1 or maybe 2 on Breck rd.
the large deli shop next to Barclays bank closed down recently - none can compete since the Breck rd Asda opened.
Even the little florist by the library had to close - - Asda sells flowers and plants too !

Ah, sad to see the old ways disappearing like this. Completely new world. . . for better or worse.

Chris

[PhilipG]

ASDA and Tesco give the public what they want.
That's why they're so popular.
The public have the right to continue trading at the traditional shops, but don't.
It might be short-sighted of the public, but that's what happens.
If my local Tesco or Somerfield did the Lottery, I'd probably never go into any of the other local shops.

[AngelCake]

I'm sorry about that.
I've just checked, and it wasn't you who mentioned "Salt of the earth" people.
What you did say was (IMHO) rather harsh.

All of Liverpool needs more help.
We all know that.

It is a tad harsh but i've lived here all my life so not making comments without thinking first,I make them out of sadness.
All of Liverpool needs help? I disagree. It's too easy to class the whole of Liverpool as run down and horrible (mentioning you're from Liverpool can still be met by lazy stereotypes)Parts of Liverpool are beautiful and looked after.

[Kev]

What disappoints me about regeneration is the speed at which it happens in one area and is almost standstill in other areas of Toxteth.

Park Rd has seen significant activity over recent years, yet places near like Princess Drive/ Lodge Lane havn't (yet)

[DaisyChains]

What disappoints me about regeneration is the speed at which it happens in one area and is almost standstill in other areas of Toxteth.

Park Rd has seen significant activity over recent years, yet places near like Princess Drive/ Lodge Lane havn't (yet)

I completely agree Kev
Park Road looks alot better than it did. Still not looking as good as it could, but it's a step in the right direction!

Lodge Lane needs alot of work doing. It is a thriving area, and it deserves some attention and some money thrown at it

[AngelCake]

What disappoints me about regeneration is the speed at which it happens in one area and is almost standstill in other areas of Toxteth.

Park Rd has seen significant activity over recent years, yet places near like Princess Drive/ Lodge Lane havn't (yet)

I was on Flickr last night and saw a picture taken in the late 80's and the street still looked like a riot had just taken place. It's a shame how slow regeneration takes place in certain areas. I'm not sure who has power to clean up the neglected parts of Liverpool but I wish they would get a move on.Edge Lane is run down and that is a gateway to the city so not sure when Lodge Lane will be helped.Maybe the rebranding of Heysmoor Heights will speed things up.Newcomers to an area seem to matter more than local people

[Ben]

I was on Flickr last night and saw a picture taken in the late 80's and the street still looked like a riot had just taken place. It's a shame how slow regeneration takes place in certain areas. I'm not sure who has power to clean up the neglected parts of Liverpool but I wish they would get a move on.Edge Lane is run down and that is a gateway to the city so not sure when Lodge Lane will be helped.Maybe the rebranding of Heysmoor Heights will speed things up.Newcomers to an area seem to matter more than local people

Very true.

Properties in the Lodge Lane area are being advertised with the tag line of 'being close to Lark Lane', which seems a sad indictment of an area which should be able to advertise itself for it's own merits.
The area is still rich with multiculturalism, as has been the case for a very long time (many years before the riots). However, it's underfunding has kept the scars of the riots there to see over 25 years on (and as a consequence makes it harder to to dispel preconceived ideas of what it's *actually* like to live in the area).

(Ben - Hartington Road resident - long time lurker / first time poster :-) )

[Kev]

Hi Ben, welcome to the site.

[AngelCake]

Very true.

Properties in the Lodge Lane area are being advertised with the tag line of 'being close to Lark Lane', which seems a sad indictment of an area which should be able to advertise itself for it's own merits.
The area is still rich with multiculturalism, as has been the case for a very long time (many years before the riots). However, it's underfunding has kept the scars of the riots there to see over 25 years on (and as a consequence makes it harder to to dispel preconceived ideas of what it's *actually* like to live in the area).

(Ben - Hartington Road resident - long time lurker / first time poster :-) )

Hello and welcome ( - :
Lodge Lane needs some investment.It should have cafes ,nice shops ,maybe a delicatessen (although most people are too in love with supermarkets now).There's no reason why it couldn't become a nice Lark Lane esque shopping area.The problem with Toxteth is no one is willing to help.It's in such a good location-Two parks ,close to town etc Pulling down beautiful buildings instead of renovating them is a disgrace.I'm fed up seeing whole streets full of empty houses

[Waterways]

Hello and welcome ( - :
Lodge Lane needs some investment.It should have cafes ,nice shops ,maybe a delicatessen (although most people are too in love with supermarkets now).There's no reason why it couldn't become a nice Lark Lane esque shopping area.

Lank Lane is middle class, Lodge is far from it. Lodge Lane will never be a Lark Lane. Cafes? On the pavement? There? Nah.....

[Ben]

Thank you both Kev and AngelCake!

It does really amaze me that with the location, as you rightly say, has easy access to 2 parks (one being, in my opinion, the finest park in the North West) and a quick wander down the hill to town - that LCC have been shortsighted enough to allow an area like Lodge Lane slip under the radar for so many years.
I suspect that this will not be the case for much longer ... but I think this will be due to market forces more so than any real council policy.

Lodge Lane won't ever be a Lark Lane .... but I would like to think that there's a whole new vibrant road waiting to be reborn under it's own banner ....

If that proves to be the case, then it'll really be no thanks to the powers than be that have allowed it to stay run down for so long.