Liverpool One [Paradise Street] Shopping Area [Under Construction]

[doorwaydave]

view from the albert dock, looks like theres a few more floors to go up yet...

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view from the mann island site... building work progressing slowly due to lack of road cones

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[Cadfael]

Have to say that I'm not fussed at all. I would have loved Chavasse Park to have been kept as it was - as nice as these new buildings are going to be, give em 15 years and when they're all dirty they'll look a right mess.

Liverpool really has lost the plot in my opinion. All this for 2008 and once it happens, it'll be a ghost town.

[Kev]

The Chavasse area was a run-down area, nothing was there except for a bench along the path and a gravel car park covering the old dock.

I for one don't see it being a ghost town in the future and the One Park West structure is class IMO

[phredd]

Lets bring Liverpool back to the community and not the Money-baggers.
Bulldoze Skem newtowns along with Runcorn/Widnes. Bring back the people into the city and have a community that lives once again.

A city is only as good as its residents, not it bankers. (delete 'B' and incert 'W' if you feel the need.

Phredd

[Cadfael]

The Chavasse area was a run-down area, nothing was there except for a bench along the path and a gravel car park covering the old dock.

I for one don't see it being a ghost town in the future and the One Park West structure is class IMO

But will it be the up and coming place to go when it's virtually out of town? You know town has 'invisible' markers where you would shop and where you wouldn't shop, would you really trudge all the way down there to see what it was like? If shops are shutting down like flies in the Albert Dock then surely that must tell us something?

[Kev]

Its given the opportunity for the shopping area to embrace this part of town, grow into it redefining the traditional city centre shopping area.

Once Kings Dock is finished, mann island etc, the albert dock should rejuvenate.

[Cadfael]

Its given the opportunity for the shopping area to embrace this part of town, grow into it redefining the traditional city centre shopping area.

Once Kings Dock is finished, mann island etc, the albert dock should rejuvenate.

Perhaps it is just me but one of the reasons why the shops at the Albert Dock failed was that they were just so expensive. Not because the owners were greedy (well, some were), but the rent and overheads was so expensive. With the new build going on at the Dock Road, are people going to travel out of their way to buy something that is probably more expensive than you can find in the centre of town?

I thought the Albert Dock was a lovely place to go, but if you didn't have a car then you didn't bother.

[Waterways]

Perhaps it is just me but one of the reasons why the shops at the Albert Dock failed was that they were just so expensive. Not because the owners were greedy (well, some were), but the rent and overheads was so expensive. With the new build going on at the Dock Road, are people going to travel out of their way to buy something that is probably more expensive than you can find in the centre of town?

I thought the Albert Dock was a lovely place to go, but if you didn't have a car then you didn't bother.

Paradise St will merge the Albert Dock into the centre somewhat and make it more competitive. All that is needed now is eliminate the Dock road at this point and pedestrianise the lot with some buildings extending over to the Albert Dock. An urban motorway divides the dock waterways from the centre - it should all merge into one.

[iain]

Im sure in the early plans and artists' impressions there was a footbridge across the Dock Road, but each time I ask in the info centre on Lord St they deny all knowledge

[Mike_LFC]

If my memory is correct I think a bridge was planned with the original plans for the site which was shelved due to the Walton Group fiasco.

[Waterways]

Im sure in the early plans and artists' impressions there was a footbridge across the Dock Road, but each time I ask in the info centre on Lord St they deny all knowledge

A footbridge would not even cope with the volumes of people that move across that road at busy periods. It is a matter of getting to the root of the problem and eliminate the road and give the area back to the people. Then the centre can merge into the riverfront and dock waterways.

This urban motorway nonsense is left over thinking from the 1960s, that should now be cast into history.

[Waterways]

If my memory is correct I think a bridge was planned with the original plans for the site which was shelved due to the Walton Group fiasco.

A bridge would obscure views too.

[Kev]

Like a huge underpass?

[Waterways]

Like a huge underpass?

That would be a disaster. Just no road would be the best.

[Diane]

I've always wondered why it was called Paradise Street ! what a wonderful name for a street !