Agree with Snappel about the guys from 28days. None of them have bad intentions and never leave the place they visit in a worse state. Very talented people. There's very few people I'm in awe with, but most of them are over there.
However, that doesn't mean I disagree with Phil. I think Phil's moan was about the scumbags who break into places and vandalise them for their so called own enjoyment. They need clubbing like they do with seals.
Yes Dave, and I'd be happy to join in with the clubbing!
As I said, my problem is when people just assume that it's 'breaking and entering' - that's narrowmindedness, and gives us a bad name. Some people are of the opinion that without permission you should never go anywhere, but then so much would be missed.
I have a list as long as your arm of places that only got photographed prior to demolition because of 'urban explorers'. There's so much that is lost that we never realise. If the ABC is converted, who will have photos of it's interior in the final days? Likewise search on the web for photos of the inside of Stanley Dock warehouses, the Royal Infirmary, Spillers flour mill (which, as it happens, I got to a bit late), Royal Iris, Everton Library etc - you'll find most of them were taken by people like me, the cinema guy, our own scouserdave, etc!
Just because you didn't get permission, or you walked past a 'no entry' sign, it doesn't mean you vandalised, 'broke in' or otherwise damaged a property.
But I like seals.
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Last edited by PhilipG; 03-19-2008 at 08:43 PM.
Phil, you forgot to include the link to all these good interior shots that you are aware of.Originally Posted by PhilipG
Regardless of that, you still state that they 'obviously' broke in when they didn't. About 2 years ago, before I did much exploring in Liverpool, I knew loads of people who went in that cinema. For a good while, most groups of friends I had/met there was someone who'd been in there, to drink cider, mess about, whatever.
As for the photos... The guys just wanted to have a record of their exploration, they weren't out to try and win some kind of competition. Are you a pro-photographer? No? Does that mean I should criticise all of your photos, and likewise, you mine? Their photos being nothing special does not automatically justify your comments.
I wonder about this nation, I really do. All these people harking on about 'the good old days' and 'when I was a lad', but seriously the problem today is sheer stupidity, ignorant 'pigeon holeing' and a complete lack of ability to think for oneself. It doesn't just come from the kids, it comes from the older generations too - makes me wonder if half the problems are due to the kids being misunderstood... (not that I am one anymore, but I refuse to 'grow up' and stop playing in old buildings)
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Last edited by PhilipG; 03-19-2008 at 08:44 PM.
Possibly because it wasn't closed down at the time? Just a guess.
Every weekend, thousands of people walk round the town centre, going to the same shops, the same cinemas, carrying the same crappy bags fully of crappy designer clothers and other rubbish. Tourists go to the same museums and attractions, the same hotels, the same theatres. Sports fans go to the same stadiums, the same events, the same gyms. On hand are Police to tell you if you're going somewhere you shouldn't, signs to say where you can and can't go.
Does it never get boring? Do you never get the urge to go somewhere unknown? To break away from the endless ant-trails and go somewhere interesting, where you don't know what's there?
Yes, lets go to libraries, tours, museums, 'closing nights', let's let others do the hard work.
We'll just sit here and be spoonfed.
Phil, regardless of your views, don't you even get the slightest frission of excitement when the likes of Snappel post their unique pics?
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Last edited by PhilipG; 03-19-2008 at 08:45 PM.
No, we agree on that point. It's wrong to break into a building and leave it vulnerable to whoever else wants to go in. I didn't dispute that. Rather, I resented you accusing me or my friends doing that. If you haven't understood that by now, then you never will.
As far as I know the Futurist was damaged by vandals, who probably broke in. I wanted to get in there to see it firsthand, but finding no open door or window, it wasn't possible. Hence a lack of photos/report on my website.
EDIT: Having re-read your last comment, I see that in itself is intended as an accusation. You really are an ignorant fool aren't you?
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Last edited by PhilipG; 03-19-2008 at 08:46 PM.
Clearly you don't know what the definition of 'breaking' is. Last time I went into my local Tesco I wasn't given permission, but the doors were open - I went in. Did I break in? If I'm calling you names, it's because I'm being descriptive.
You're right though - we're going round in circles and you're clutching at straws. My whole point was that you don't need permission to enter a building - British Law states as much. Who said the 'snappers' had permission - they didn't! But they didn't break in either - do you not see how that's possible? No? Then I'll say again, you're an ignorant fool. That's not name calling, that's being descriptive. Get it?
Whats happened to Dave?
I find It cool that snappel gets up all those CranesPhil, regardless of your views, don't you even get the slightest frission of excitement when the likes of Snappel post their unique pics?
Gididi Gididi Goo.
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