Originally Posted by
petromax
Academic my back-side! You wouldn't know reasoned debate if it slapped you in the face.
That is amazing coming from you. Your idea of a reasoned debate is agreeing with your half-baked conclusion based on incomplete data.
In short, I couldn?t give a stuff that you?ve got a chip on your shoulder about farmers and the CAP when we are either sleep-walking or worse, deliberately planning our way into global catastrophe and there is a significant alternative contribution to the solution directly on hand - ie. re-establishing sustainable communities in the inner cities.
Many here are sadly locked into a mentality. Let your minds run free.
- Country & Urban. It must all be one - We can't build over all the countryside as the Daily Mail keeps telling you, as there is just too much of it. It is near impossible to do. If all towns and cities and villages are three times the size giving a population of 180 million, that gives only 22.5% of the land settled. Not a lot is it? I am not advocating that, just ramming home the point of land usage in the UK.
- Massive British exodus because of poor land and planning laws - The ex Empire countries attracted British migrants, when I talk to them, having been to many of these places, I ask many of them why they left the UK. The answer from 90% plus is, "we could have a nice large house, which we could not have in the UK". They could have had a nice big house in the UK that did not cost an arm and a leg, as the countryside is hardly built on - urban settlement is a paltry 7.5% of the land. We are not allowed to build on this great mass of land as they are in other countries.
- Why? why? why? Did millions of our own people leave the country - Because of the ridiculous planning and land laws. Did these planning and land laws help the people of the UK? Clearly No. Millions left the country because of them. OK millions of people have come to the UK, but these have been overwhelmingly people from dirt poor third-world countries.
- Social Engineering With Vested Land Interests Does Not Work - Social engineering and vested interest by large landowners has created poor urban environments in the UK.
- The UK has appalling ugly haphazardly built cities - The cities are filled with pokey super expensive poor quality houses. Clearly this approach to land and planning has not worked.
- High Density Cities Does Not Work - What approach can? Not attempting to create high density cities - again. That failed once costing billions. Great social problems resulted.
- Most People Aspire To A Semi-rural Lifestyle - What lifestyle and quality of life do people aspire to? Many aspire to detached homes and semi-rural living. Many surveys say this. So, this is what should be accommodated.
- So-called Sprawl Does Work When Done Properly - Each outer suburb can be a village in its own right with lots of green spaces. If anyone thinks villages in cities do not work, well look at Hampstead in London and Woolton in Liverpool. The city centre can be high density vibrant living, mixed with commercial. Connect up the villages by light-rail rapid-transit networks, not in a radial fashion, but a true network for ease of getting about. For e.g., Liverpool have the Outer Loop line and Canada Dock branch line to line up outer suburbs creating a "net" not a star. Do not construct wide dual-carriageway roads. Get people to use the metro links and having high frequencies they will use them. Do not allow massive supermarkets with large car parks. Tesco do well with the Expresses,which are large enough shops.
- Freedom To Live and Build Where You Want To - The forgotten word - Freedom. If someone wants to build a house out in the country, let him. Conform to the local vernacular - OK fine. It is called freedom, you know that thing millions of our ancestors fought and died for - quite a few of my uncles did.
- Build Low Impact Homes - Homes with super insulation, passive solar design and low energy appliances have a low carbon footprint. This home cots nothing more to build yet has not full heating system. Look at: Heatinghless House A heatingless house in Scotland by Deveci. Figures given by the university, so no arm-waving. Look at St. Georges Solar School in Wallasey. Solar School Having Low impact buildings mean we can build anywhere and reduce the carbon footprint substantially.
- It is Not Either OR - It is not urban or rural, it is all one. We can openly use the land to create large affordable comfortable homes - new UK homes are half the size of Denmark with German home being half as big again with the same population density of the UK.Even Japan builds larger homes.
You have been given a propaganda line, we all have. Simple facts, and proof given, are that the country has a surplus of land. We were told we are running out of land, so must all live in pokey over expensive rabbit hutches with paper thin walls like this:
We are not running out of land, we have so much we pay farmers not to grow on it.
You were confronted with facts which turned what you believed 180 degree. You refused to believe the figures as this went against your indoctrination. Then you grasp at straws going on an eco stance. The fact is we can spread out and still be sustainable. You appear to want us all to grow our own vegetable on allotments. You have it fixed in your head that an eco house on field will ruin the environment.
Do tell yourself lies and believe them. One thing is clear the UK is being ripped off big time by large land owners. By recognising this and wanting the situation to change you bizarrely think this is having a chip on the shoulder, such is the level of your sycophantic indoctrination. BTW, you are not the only one.
We are not planning (as in housing) our way into a global catastrophe at all. How naive.
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