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    The Prince`s Dock has been emptied in preparation for the canal link

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    , how weird does that look, great view!
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    And looking the other way
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    Nice pics! Isn't that Prince's Dock though? Thought Queen's Dock was the Water Sports one.

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    I thought it would be a lot deeper than that

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    Quote Originally Posted by disco View Post
    I thought it would be a lot deeper than that
    Click on the link in my sig and go to the canal link in the menu. A section below. The web site is to be updated soon as Peel want to fill in West Waterloo Dock again. We are being raped of our heritage. All because a large million billion pound company wants to make extra bucks charging contractor to dump waste material in the docks.


    Deep Water Vessels Cannot Berth Near the City Centre

    Liverpool is one of the few cities in the world that deep water vessels can berth in the city centre. The madness of reducing the Central Docks to inland narrowboat depths precludes visiting ships berthing at Princes and Princes Half-Tide docks. When the Tall Sailing Ships visit Liverpool many have to berth at Birkenhead. The historic ship collection at Birkenhead could have been accommodated at Princes and Princes half-Tide Docks, as they are losing their home at the East Float.

    The Manxman Steamship Co, is discussing where the SS Manxman can be permanently berthed if she is saved. Their preference was the Princes Dock's old Belfast steamship berth adjacent to the Crowne Plaza Hotel. This is now not an option. If deep water can be reinstated in Princes Dock, Princes half-Tide Dock and the Waterloo docks then it opens up options.

    The historic Battle of the Atlantic U-Boat hunter HMS Wimbrel requires a permanent berth at Liverpool. HMS Wimbrel is currently with the Egyptian navy and to be handed back to Britain when fully restored to world war two specification. The last survivor of the Battle of the Atlantic. Visiting Royal Navy and foreign naval vessels also require high profile berths, instead of the embarrassing berths amongst the giant mounds of scrap metal at the far North End commercially active docks.

    Below: HMS Wimbrel in Alexandria under renovation.


    Below: SS Manxman, the Isle of Man ferrry.


    British Waterways attempted to have West Waterloo Dock filled in and re-direct the proposed canal to one side of the currently temporary in-filled Trafalgar Dock and an in-filled West Waterloo Dock, instead of through the centre of Trafalgar Dock.

    The historic ship collection, including a World War Two U-Boat, at Birkenhead Docks is to be moved for development work. Liverpool cannot find berths for these ships because the docks near the city centre: Princes, Princes Half-Tide and West Waterloo Docks have been reduced to canal boat depths. The reduction in depth was that the deep water docks were used as a lucrative dump by developers. HMS Plymouth is wanted by the City of Plymouth and a German businessman is looking into taking the U-Boat back to Germany. It is embarrassing when a large port with half the docks redundant cannot find berths for a handful of historic ships. Ships that would add value to the maritime heritage of Liverpool.
    A fully excavated Trafalgar Dock, with West Waterloo, Princes and Princes Half-Tide Docks restored to deep water depths, will enable deep water ships to enter the whole of Central Docks from the commercial North End docks. Ships then can berth right in the city centre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    Deep Water Vessels Cannot Berth Near the City Centre....
    So how deep was Prince's dock in its heyday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollyBlack View Post
    So how deep was Prince's dock in its heyday?
    It was 25 to 27 foot deep. It could be deeper if the docks were "impounded", which is pumping water from the river to raise the level in the dock. Impounding meant larger vessels could berth and saved money on making the docks deeper. But expensive in fuel to run the pumps.
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    Default The extent of water space removal

    The Liverpool Waters scheme, showing the extent of the waterspace filling. It is extensive and done gradually so most don't notice. The lost water acreage is highly significant. The latest land by stealth move is to hide the filling of West Waterloo Dock in a grand pie-in-the-sky scheme. There is an abundance of land on the other side of the Dock Rd which can merge with any grand proposal. The land contains small ramshackle companies - an area that should have been cleared decades ago.

    Few of those glass block renders will be built in the Liverpool Waters scheme and the final result will not resemble that over-exaggerated proposal in any way. We will find that few will live around the quays and most given up to corporates to make money from - with the odd char-banc park on an in-filed historic dock. Don't be fooled

    Below: Central Docks 1972:


    Below, the Liverpool Waters proposal:
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    This is one I took in 1966 when it was used for the Irish & IoM boats,cargo
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    Crackin' pic again GD.

    Here's one from NancyO's flickr set, taken in 1984.

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    We even had the Winston Churchill visiting us in 1966
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    Gregs Dad, what dock is that?
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    I presume it`s part of the Princes as the picture was taken the same time as the Irish boats pic, failing that I`d go for East or West Waterloo.
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