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    Save our homes
    Mar 13 2006
    By Nick Coligan, Liverpool Echo



    STEVE BROOKS lives in a three-storey terrace with bright red brickwork and an arched roof.

    But not for much longer. For the father-of-six lives right in the middle of a regeneration zone - and the clock is ticking down to when the bulldozers move in.

    His home in Exeter Road, Bootle, is surrounded by derelict, boarded-up houses, all awaiting demolition.



    But Mr Brooks hopes it will not come to that. He is part of Neighbours Against Demolition, a protest group hoping to scupper the current controversial plan.

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    Late move to stop Edge Lane highway
    Mar 23 2006
    By Nick Coligan, Liverpool Echo

    RESIDENTS have launched a last-ditch bid to stop bulldozers moving into Liverpool's Edge Lane.

    It means plans to widen the traffic-clogged route, demolish 500 homes and build a new city centre community are again in doubt.

    Campaigner Elizabeth Pascoe will challenge the £350m scheme in the high court.

    But regeneration chiefs were today confident the long-awaited project would not be delayed.

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    JOHN PRESCOTT'S plans to demolish hundreds of homes on Merseyside will repeat the disasters of the 1950s and 1960s, a public inquiry was told yesterday.

    Campaigners were at the hearing to save 400 Victorian villas in 10 Bootle streets from bulldozers under the Government's Housing Market Renewal Initiative (HMRI).

    Yesterday, they compared the programme with post-war slum demolitions that replaced Victorian housing with low-cost, low quality flats.

    Community leader Mary Owens spoke on behalf of the Neighbours Against Demolition group, which believes the properties, in Queens Road and Bedford Road, should be refurbished instead.

    She said: "A large part of my working life has been spent working with community action groups largely on estates that were built in the 1950s and 1960s.

    "People lived in walk-up flats and maisonettes and weren't prepared to continue to live in them any more.

    "One of the greatest planning disasters ever was the demolitions of the 1960s."

    Ms Owens, manager of community agency Maritime, accused the HMRI scheme of proposing "identical flats that the community has spent the last 20 years trying to get torn down."

    And she criticised Sefton council for "failing" to listen to householders.
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    THREE of Liverpool's oldest communities face D-day at a crucial meeting to decide the fate of thousands of terraced homes.

    Councillors will tour Anfield, Edge Hill and Waver-tree tomorrow, before the future of dozens of Victorian streets is decided.

    The three separate schemes are all part of regeneration company New Heartlands' multi-million pound vision for Merseyside's housing.

    If given the go-ahead, they will mean:

    * The demolition of 1,800 homes around Anfield stadium, to be replaced with 1,300 homes, shops, offices and community facilities.

    * The bulldozing of 640 properties to the south of Edge Lane, Edge Hill, where about 300 new homes and shops will be built.

    * The replacement of 525 terraces off Smithdown Road and Earle Road, Wavertree, with up to 450 new two- and three-storey homes.

    Housing experts say the three communities have come to the end of their useful lives and need to be replaced with modern homes to get the property market back on its feet.

    Many residents are happy to leave with the promise of being helped into a new property in the near future.

    But others are campaigning to stay and have the terraces refurbished to 21st-century standards instead.

    Liverpool council's planning committee will have the final say.

    Liberal councillor Steve Radford, who opposes demolition, said: "These plans will simply add to the city's housing problems by deliberately making areas derelict. Organ-isations like English Heritage have real concerns about the quality of new housing."

    Councillors are also set to give the go-ahead to plans for more than 70 homes on the former site of St Thomas a Becket school, off Spekeland Road, Edge Hill.

    I want to go NOW

    KaREN Williams is ready to move out of her Anfield home as soon as she gets the green light.

    She rents her two-bedroom terrace in Vienna Street from a housing association and is waiting for another one to become available in a different area before leaving.

    Karen, who has a seven-year-old son, Joseph, said: "My house definitely needs work doing on it - the bathroom has got damp, for example.

    "I am happy to go and not come back, but Iwould like ahouse with a garden this time.

    "This is not a very pleasant area to live in now, because kids keep getting into empty houses and setting fires."

    Leave our community alone

    MAXINE Liu has lived off Smithdown Road for more than 30 years - and she has no intention of going anywhere yet.

    Maxine, of Tunstall Street, Wavertree, is a member of Smithdown Against Demolition, a new group set up to fight demolition plans.

    She said: "First and fore-most, it will break up the community. People around here are always there if you need them.

    "We are told we can move back into the area where we were born and bred, but we are worried that we will not be able to afford it. New properties are often expensive, especially for first-time buyers. A lot of people would benefit more if properties were modernised."
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    The area immediately around Liverpool's ground needs bulldozing,the council have allowed it to rot away and I can't think of a worse advert for the city than this place,so many people from outside the city must think they're in a war zone when they see that.In fact my mates a taxi driver and one Norwegian lad made that exact comment it's not good enough.

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    I hope the Anfield ones are given the goahead for the sake of the residents.
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    LIVERPOOL is repeating the slum-clearance mistakes of the 1960s by agreeing to the massive demolition of thousands of terraced homes, a leading conservation campaigner warned yesterday. more
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    Derelict homes generate profits

    Liverpool City Council has generated more than £500,000 in council tax by renovating nearly 500 derelict houses, it has said.

    The initiative has been welcomed by local communities as it has helped cut vandalism and reduce the number of properties being used as drug dens.

    Councillor Marilyn Fielding said: "This is an excellent initiative. "It can stop an area going downhill and brings houses back into use for families who desperately need them."
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    THEY are the oldest houses in North Liverpool and last night the race was on to save them from demolition. more
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    It's only Breck road anyway.
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    Homes reprieved as mass demolition plans frozen
    Jul 20 2006
    By Larry Neild, Daily Post

    LIVERPOOL'S plans to bulldoze 3,000 terraced houses as part of the biggest clearance programme for 40 years, lay in tatters last night, jubilant critics claimed.

    They say a decision by Local Government Secretary of State Ruth Kelly to freeze plans for a massive regeneration programme, would spell the end of the strategy.

    But council officials insisted that the plans for Anfield, Breckfield, Edge Hill and Picton areas of the city, have not been shelved.

    They say the minister has called for more information about the plans before deciding whether there should be a public inquiry.

    In the meanwhile, the minister has issued a formal notice to the council banning them from granting any planning approvals without authorisation from the Government.

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    Thank goodness for that!

    They renovated Skerries Street, so why not these other neighbouring streets? They are in a great location and the bus links into and around the city are pretty good too, especially as the Sheil Road Circular runs past every ten or so minutes. Arkle Avenue also has a bus going to Fazackerley Hospital too.

    Wholescare renovation is needed here. Yuppies and couples would love this area. I know that Anfield isn't exactly Allerton or Woolton, but it does have a charm about it and it is full of character. I suppose modern society want Bars and posh restuarants on thier doorstep, something that Anfield doesn't have but why should that detract young proffessionals from moving there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev
    Derelict homes generate profits

    Liverpool City Council has generated more than £500,000 in council tax by renovating nearly 500 derelict houses, it has said.

    The initiative has been welcomed by local communities as it has helped cut vandalism and reduce the number of properties being used as drug dens.

    Councillor Marilyn Fielding said: "This is an excellent initiative. "It can stop an area going downhill and brings houses back into use for families who desperately need them."

    Sorry for double posting (I know that I should Simply Edit but this is a serious point)

    I thought that there was some sort of financial gain from row upon row of houses being left derelict. There must be some sort of scam going on here, could the council be getting paid to have houses derleic and then sell the land off? Most of these houses are in locations close to the city afterall. Look at Dorethy Street in Edge Hill. Close to Edge Lane, near to the City Centre and great amenities nearby with the shopping hubs of Kensington and Picton Road on hand. The bus links into the city are exellent with high frquencies going up Picton Road, and once again, the Sheil Road Circualar runs past the road end (almost!) too. It is a great location but most (if not all by now) of the houses are boarded up and probably awaiting removal.

    So, if the council want to con us out of our homes, thats fine. But I hope they relise that they are destroying OUR City too. Boarded up terraces are not a nice sight. Renovatoion is the key to success in almost all cases. So C'mon Liverpool city Council. Un board these houses and get them done up! Salfords doing in in Langworthy, so why cant we do it all over the city and cater for all types of wealths and aspirations.

    We are loosing out, developers and business moguls do not want to locate to a city where almost every street is boarded up. Leeds is doing well for itself, as is Birmingham. They don't have huge swaithes of derelict terraces, but they also don't demolish streets because they are "undesirable".

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    This is just anti government crap by the Torygraph. If you can't see through this crap you are naive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Howie
    Overall, Cabe often failed to apply the simple rule which it has since formulated about new buildings: that they be of better quality than those they replace. In consequence, many much-loved Victorian terraces all over the Midlands and the North are due to be demolished to make way for indifferent new housing.
    Much loved by who? By those who want to maintain class levels. The poor must be in distinctly working class homes - full of damp and virtually nil insulation levels, casting millions into fuel poverty and add CO2 to the atmosphere. Even if you double glazing and insulation in the loft it make little impact as the solid walls of nil insulation value is the vast majority of the area of the house surfaces. Then the draught or just cold floors. Best run bulldozers through the lot of them. They missed the post WW2 housing clearance because money ran out.

    That is just what the Torygraph want.

    There are currently three million people in the UK living in 1.5 million homes officially classified as unfit, and this situation is unlikely to improve in the foreseeable future. 2.5 million homes suffer from severe damp, and the cost of remedying these conditions is estimated between 46 and 70 billion.

    House conditions were found to contribute to "chronic chest disease", hypothermia and digestive conditions.

    The above was some of the findings of a report commissioned by the Joseph
    Rowntree Organisation.

    The high crime rates endured by the residents of 1960s housing estates testify to the obvious truth that bad design blights lives. "Expertise" and "modernity", no matter how eye-catching on a drawing-board, are no substitute for good building.
    This is now just castigating modern design – notice they don’t point to the many successes. These people are just plain stupid. They must think we are all very dim to believe what they spout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev
    LIVERPOOL is repeating the slum-clearance mistakes of the 1960s by agreeing to the massive demolition of thousands of terraced homes, a leading conservation campaigner warned yesterday.
    The sooner the bulldozers move in the better. Those crocks are not worth conserving.

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