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    A friend sent me this, I thought you'd like it. Nice pic. of Liverpool Castle.

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    That is brilliant I've never seen that before, more info please
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    I just found some info on this.....

    West Derby was one of the eight hundreds of Lancashire, fifteen townships came under its durisdiction and its boundaries reached as far west as Moss St, Islington. Over the centuries it was in turn inhabited by the Danes, Anglo-Saxons, and until 13thC. stood in a forest 11 miles long/2 miles wide. It has had a Saxon fort, a Norman Fort and now a small walled garden marks the site. King John transferred the Wapentake court from West Derby, when he granted the Charter to L,pool in 1207. (the forerunner of the County Court today). Ecclesiastically West Derby was part of Walton Parish for many years, but became independent in 1848. The present parish church built 1853/4 (designed by Gilbert G Scott, replaced the ancient chapel of St Mary the Virgin.
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    In the old days West Derby covered a lot more area than it does today.
    There is an old boundary marker at the top of Townsend lane which says, 'Township of West Derby' ... and yet Townsend lane is now classed as being in Anfield.
    ... bit confusing really ... if you turn left at the top of Townsend lane and into Lower Breck rd - that comes under the Tuebrook boundary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    That is brilliant I've never seen that before, more info please
    I don't know if this link

    has ever been posted before.
    http://www.btinternet.com/~m.royden/...tle/castle.htm

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    I've a few pics of the castle too, posted them here a couple of

    weeks back but removed them for copyright issues. I'll see if I can post em up again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    I've a few pics of the castle too, posted them here a

    couple of weeks back but removed them for copyright issues. I'll see if I can post em up again.
    As far as copyright goes, I would assume that

    most authors would be pleased that their book is being given credit, as long as you only post a fraction of their work.

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    i wish

    they would re-print half of the old Liverpool books, it seems silly that we all are so interested and we can't get hold of them! grrrrrr!!

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    These are from an 1869 book I saw in Ormskirk Library.
    It was too big (& fragile) to photocopy, but fine to take photos of.
    I think the shadow is my

    fat tummy!

    I haven't forgotten Reynolds.
    I've got some better pics, & will post them in "Some Liverpool Cinemas" tomorrow (Sunday).

    I've also put together a history of the building.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    In the old days West Derby covered a lot more area than it does today.
    There is an old boundary marker at the top of Townsend lane

    which says, 'Township of West Derby' ... and yet Townsend lane is now classed as being in Anfield.
    ... bit confusing really ... if you turn left at the

    top of Townsend lane and into Lower Breck rd - that comes under the Tuebrook boundary
    Of course, West Derby Hundred, in which both

    the motte and bailey castle at West Derby and later Liverpool Castle were located, covered the whole of present-day Liverpool and surrounding towns and was

    mentioned in the Domesday Book. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Derby_(hundred)

    I was surprised to learn that a walled garden now

    marks the site of West Derby Castle and I must check it out next time I am in the 'Pool. Anyone know exactly what road the walled garden is

    on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbymac View Post
    A friend sent me this, I thought you'd like it. Nice pic. of Liverpool Castle.
    Thanks, Philip G and bobbymac for

    posting these pics. The colour pic posted by bobby looks to me as if it might have been something got up at the time of the 1957 anniversary of the founding

    of Liverpool, or perhaps even the 1907 celebration, although I should think the later one is more probable.

    Philip, the pic of Liverpool Castle you

    posted looks somewhat of a generic picture of a castle and I believe one of the problems that faces anyone writing about the castle is that there was no good

    illustration of the castle done, so the modern drawings are conjectural - the best guess of the historian or investigator. The castle is seen in a number of

    views of the town in the later 17th century but that was when it was falling apart and before it was demolished and swept away and St. Peter's Church and

    later the Victoria Monument were built on the site.

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    Bobby

    The middle pic that you posted is of the Tower at the bottom of Water Street and shouldn't be confused

    with Liverpool Castle. You probably know that but I wanted to note it in case anyone was confused. This lasted longer than the castle and was built by Lord

    Stanley (later Earls of Derby) at the beginning of the 15th century. Since it stood longer than the castle and was on the waterfront there are better views

    of it than of the castle. It was in its last years used as a prison to house French and American prisoners. The view you posted accords with the way the

    Tower is shown in a book I have, Richard Brooke's Liverpool in the Last Quarter of the Eighteenth Century, published in 1853.

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    There is a replica of the ruins of

    Liverpool castle at Rivington Pike near Bolton. That is where Liverrpool once got its water, but out grew it very quickly and turned to

    Wales.

    http://www.kroma.co.uk/liverpool-castle-ruins.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Philip, the pic of Liverpool Castle you posted looks somewhat of a generic picture of a castle and I believe one of the

    problems that faces anyone writing about the castle is that there was no good illustration of the castle done, so the modern drawings are conjectural
    Enough paintings and drawing were done to know what it was

    like.



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