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    Quote Originally Posted by Oudeis View Post
    The excerpt you quoted earlier does not mention Grey Horse Hamlet. I suppose there might have been a farm stead named after an Anglo Saxon, it then became an inn then a pub, but the name stuck?
    in 1871 Amy Howard (don't know if she's one of mine) lived Prescot Rd in the village or hamlet of Greyhorse ....West Derby district 66
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    Soundly, but gently slapped on wrist. I am not having my best weekend for inter-gender relationships.

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    Mart what year is the directory on your website?
    there's a James Howard at 67 Prescot Rd & another one? at 99 Prescot Rd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oudeis View Post
    Soundly, but gently slapped on wrist. I am not having my best weekend for inter-gender relationships.
    its my fault for not wording it properly....I've been trying to connect this family for a while now & its doing my head in
    its not only the place names, its wondering if there is any connection & if not why are there so many Howards living so close together since at least 1841
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    1851: Ref No. RG 10/3850, Folio Nos. 132-133

    Prescot Street. Nearby street Grey Horse.

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    As this is the blind leading the far sighted I will stop at this...

    Marriage: 2 Dec 1891 St Mary, West Derby, Lancashire, England
    William Henry Metcalfe - 33 Groom Bachelor of Swan Road, Old Swan
    Jane Howard - 26 Spinster of Swan Road, Old Swan
    Groom's Father: Thomas Metcalfe, Mason
    Bride's Father: John Howard, Farmer
    Witness: Thomas Metcalfe; Ellen Jones
    Married by Banns by: R. Cuffe
    Register: Marriages 1883 - 1903, Page 101, Entry 202
    Source: LDS Film 1546071

    The Church of St Mary the Virgin
    (West Derby Chapel), West Derby

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    http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/...1883-1903.html

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    thank you for taking the trouble for looking for me Oudeis...& everyone else too its much appreciated
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    Quote Originally Posted by robbo176 View Post
    Mart what year is the directory on your website?
    there's a James Howard at 67 Prescot Rd & another one? at 99 Prescot Rd
    Its on the 1906 map page.... 1906

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmtmaj View Post
    Its on the 1906 map page.... 1906

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    thanks Mart

    I found this in Lost villages of Liverpool pt 3 by Derek Whale

    Another set of well known cottages thereabouts ,until their demolition before the last war,were Grey horse cottages.These stood with an old pub called the Grey horse,on whose gable end was mounted a carved horses head.And in in one of these cottages live a lively lass named "Big Lill" - a huge ,fearless but good-hearted soul who really enjoyed her ale.On the occasions when Lill imbibed too much & became fighting drunk ,it took the combined efforts of six policemen to hoist her into the black Maria !
    Squeezed in somewhere between Knotty Ash & Old Swan was another tiny hamlet called "Pump Fold" which was known to postmen ,if few other people ,in its time.A handful of dwellings there were called Littledale's cottages.

    Big Lill sounds like one of my lot haha!!!
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    Squeezed between Knotty Ash and Old Swan is Grey Horse. I did wonder what was put on a savoury butty. I'll stick to the Jam ones though myself.

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    Squeezed in somewhere between Knotty Ash & Old Swan was another tiny hamlet called "Pump Fold" which was known to postmen ,if few other people ,in its time.A handful of dwellings there were called Littledale's cottages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Come on Spike, you must know it then?
    he did know where Littledale cottages were
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    Littledale cottages were stil there in 1906 - see map on the site.
    They stood about where the masionettes are now between Prescot Rd and Warmington Rd.

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    I have a book called Knotty Ash, Old Swan and West Derby by G. Radley.

    On page 26 it states "the stationmaster's house stands on the corner of Warmington Road. On the opposite corner, stood a wooden cafe alongside a group of old cottages. Next to the cottages stood the Bay Horse. They Bay Horse seems to have been demolished before 1930."

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    1891 census:
    The Grey Horse Inn, 22, Prescot Rd RG12/3001/60a. Ignore this one, though.



    Grey Horse (beerhouse, Elizabeth Charnock), 161, Prescot Rd* RG12/3001/36a.
    The Charnocks appear on a few Census' at Prescot Rd as beerhouse/beersellers.
    Charnock Cottages are marked on an early map. On later maps the area of Spring Place and Littledale's Cottages.

    *this was on the section of Prescot Rd between Old Swan and Knotty Ash.

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    thanks again everyone for you time & effort ...just one question is Bay Horse another hamlet or just a pub/inn?
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    I think the Bay horse was an inn/pub, not a hamlet, but only my guess
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