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    you'll find the maps by searching for "Rainhill" on this useful site:

    http://www.old-maps.co.uk/indexmappage2.aspx

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    Emily Mather, Deeming's wife who was found murdered in Australia, was the daughter of a local newsagent in Rainhill - her mother's shop is still standing at the corner of View Road and Warrington Road, I think it was still a newsagents in recent years but I remember it being derelict for a long time:

    http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/deeming/d...G184page75.htm

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    I thought this may be of interest. I superimposed the location of Dinham Villa (from the 1894 OS map) onto a contemporary satellite shot from Google maps - using Photoshop to wrap the cartographer's image accurately to the photo (i.e. lining the roads and landmarks up as near as possible). The original villa was located within the rectangle where I've increased the brightness.


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    Hi lierbag

    Very interesting. Thanks for doing this. This gives folks a good idea exactly where it all happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lierbag View Post
    I thought this may be of interest. I superimposed the location of Dinham Villa (from the 1894 OS map) onto a contemporary satellite shot from Google maps - using Photoshop to wrap the cartographer's image accurately to the photo (i.e. lining the roads and landmarks up as near as possible). The original villa was located within the rectangle where I've increased the brightness.

    I realise this thread is more ancient than my Grandad's frying pan - but I used to live about a minute's walk from the site where the villa once stood. I spent my childhood in Rainhill and new nothing about the case!

    I found an old article from 1892 about the murders - it was quite interesting, I thought: http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3034869
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    He may not have been Jack the Ripper as some have alleged but the Public Record Office of Victoria, Australia, have done an extraordinary job of putting on-line documents and information about this fascinating murderer and con man.

    The timing of Frederick Bailey Deeming's arrest and the sheer viciousness of his crimes led to him being in the frame for being the Ripper, but it would seem that Deeming's nefarious career was separate to Jack's.

    Check it all out at

    http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/deeming/default.htm

    A number of the documents and ephemera relate to Merseyside, to Liverpool or Rainhill.

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    Courtesy of Howard Brown at JtR Forums, some contemporary news stories about multiple murderer Frederick Bailey Deeming and the murders at Rainhill:

    One of the earliest reports of the grim discoveries at Rainhill, from The Aberdeen Journal, Thursday, March 17, 1892:
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    Blackburn Standard and Weekly Express, Saturday, March 26, 1892:
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    Some newspapermen claimed that police were working on the theory that family murderer Deeming could also have been Jack the Ripper, as here in the Bristol Mercury and Daily Post, Saturday, March 26, 1892:
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    Other reports though put the crimes in better perspective as in this report in The Graphic, Saturday, March 26, 1892
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    Still the speculation continued. A graphic comparing Deeming and a suspect in the Ripper murders. Illustrated Police News, Saturday, April 16, 1892:
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    Leeds Mercury, Wednesday, April 27, 1892:
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    Here you go, Im from Rainhill and visited Melbourne Gaol last year. These photos may be of interest..............the good man himself.....

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    Thank you bigsouth!

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    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/nat...-1225978531486

    Chris, this maybe of interest to you.
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    Hi - I just found your forum searching for Dinham villa - I have something that might be of interest - my great uncle kept a railway crossing in lincolnshire and to practice his handwriting copied stuff out of the newspapers into a journal - included is this sketch of the house and where the bodies were found and a few other details...Click image for larger version. 

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    Hello Richard

    Thanks for alerting us about your great uncle's journal about Dinham Villa and Frederick Bailey Deeming. Although the sketches were not original to him but were copied from the newspaper they are still of interest, I think, and might be valuable to a collector. If you don't mind, I am going to let a Ripperologist who lives in Hull know about the journal. Might I ask, are you resident in Lincolnshire, as your great uncle was, or elsewhere?

    All the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Hello Richard

    Thanks for alerting us about your great uncle's journal about Dinham Villa and Frederick Bailey Deeming. Although the sketches were not original to him but were copied from the newspaper they are still of interest, I think, and might be valuable to a collector. If you don't mind, I am going to let a Ripperologist who lives in Hull know about the journal. Might I ask, are you resident in Lincolnshire, as your great uncle was, or elsewhere?

    All the best

    Chris
    Thank's a lot Chris!!!! after reading all those reports am I glad that i'm off until thursday? other wise I'll be checking behind me walking though the dark building with just my trusty batton oh sorry I meant my torch, now being a Whiston/Rainhill lad that made good reading

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    Quote Originally Posted by richardcrooks View Post
    Hi - I just found your forum searching for Dinham villa - I have something that might be of interest - my great uncle kept a railway crossing in lincolnshire and to practice his handwriting copied stuff out of the newspapers into a journal - included is this sketch of the house and where the bodies were found and a few other details...Click image for larger version. 

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    Hi all

    On JTR Forums it appears that Howard Brown might have just posted the very newspaper article from which Richard Crooks' ancestor may have copied those images of the front elevation and plan of Dinham Villa. The article appeared in a supplement to the Manchester Courier, March 19, 1892.

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    News report found by Howard Brown of JtR Forums about the hanging of Deeming in Australia

    Kansas City Star
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