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    Has anyone got any resent news on the reopening of this branch? I cant believe how long this is taking, Liverpool never reopen old lines! why?

    also as the line is currently use as a goods only line would it be possible to open it again to passengers? how would it work?

    if this line did reopen we would see the following stations:

    Liverpool Central (link to other lines)
    Moorfields (link to other lines)
    Vauxhall (link to other lines)
    Hodson (new underground station in old Waterloo tunnel)
    London Road (new underground station in old Waterloo tunnel)
    Brownlow Hill (new underground station in old Waterloo tunnel)
    Edge Hill (link to other lines)
    Edge Lane
    Stanley
    Breck Road
    Tuebrook
    Anfield (For football stadiums)
    Spellow
    Kirkdale (link to other lines)
    Bootle Orriel Road (link to other lines)
    Bootle New Strand (link to other lines)
    Linacare road
    Ford
    Aintree Racecourse (direct access from city line to Aintree)
    Fazakerley (new station close to old station Barlows Lane)
    Kirkby (link to other lines)

    This idea would close the current Kirkby branch but people can get Southport train and get the Kirkby train at one of the Bootle stations to cut down travel time. the current Rice Lane station is not needed as Walton station is right next to it also Fazakerly Station would be replaced by a new station very near the old site

    also other stations could open of this branch

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    I take it you have heard about the credit crunch, financial crisis, spending review, cutbacks etc . The con/dem government has given the go-ahead for electrification between Liverpool/Manchester, which surprised me, & for other north west transport projects. This branch line was little used even in its heyday with stations closing in 1948 . A major scheme like this (with very dubious benefits) has absolutely no chance. The only hope for this line will be if a new Anfield ground goes ahead, & that's doubtful. Ask again in 5/6 years..
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    Not sure where you get all this from but the only stations planned for that line are Edge Lane, Tue Book and Anfield.

    Please don't quote things in this factual manner if you can't back them up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oritelad View Post
    Has anyone got any resent news on the reopening of this branch? I cant believe how long this is taking, Liverpool never reopen old lines! why?

    also as the line is currently use as a goods only line would it be possible to open it again to passengers? how would it work?

    if this line did reopen we would see the following stations:

    Liverpool Central (link to other lines)
    Moorfields (link to other lines)
    Vauxhall (link to other lines)
    Hodson (new underground station in old Waterloo tunnel)
    London Road (new underground station in old Waterloo tunnel)
    Brownlow Hill (new underground station in old Waterloo tunnel)
    Edge Hill (link to other lines)
    Edge Lane
    Stanley
    Breck Road
    Tuebrook
    Anfield (For football stadiums)
    Spellow
    Kirkdale (link to other lines)
    Bootle Orriel Road (link to other lines)
    Bootle New Strand (link to other lines)
    Linacare road
    Ford
    Aintree Racecourse (direct access from city line to Aintree)
    Fazakerley (new station close to old station Barlows Lane)
    Kirkby (link to other lines)

    This idea would close the current Kirkby branch but people can get Southport train and get the Kirkby train at one of the Bootle stations to cut down travel time. the current Rice Lane station is not needed as Walton station is right next to it also Fazakerly Station would be replaced by a new station very near the old site

    also other stations could open of this branch

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    That link refers you to page 103 of the SSC thread but I can't see where it lists all those stations?

    I could see a reason for having football fans arriving at Cherry Lane (close to both grounds)
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    That'd be one long and winding service. It goes all over the north end.

    How do you get it from Aintree to Fazakerly as well, you'd send it towards town on the Ormskirk line then change it to the Kirkby line sending it through Rice Lane anyway.

    That route makes no sense at all.
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    Hi all... Im a new member on Yo, but I have been lurking in the corner for a long time!

    I have followed this thread with interest. Local newspapers have run stories about the progress of the possible reopening of the Bootle Branch line.

    LINK.. I hope it is of interest:-

    http://www.bootletimes.co.uk/news/bo...7007-25039138/

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    Thank you Pudlian

    This is what I was talking about take a look at this Merseyrail network map it could look like this someday

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    Quote Originally Posted by oritelad View Post
    Thank you Pudlian

    This is what I was talking about take a look at this Merseyrail network map it could look like this someday

    http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...eyrailmap3.jpg
    You might have a very long wait, i would say not in your great great grandsons lifetime. You really have absolutely no idea how the world works do you ? Grand plans like this will never happen, some of the lines in the map never carried enough passengers even in their heyday
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    haha I know shame though maybe someday hundreds of years from now it could look like that.

    maybe this map is more realistic http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...seyrailmap.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pudlian View Post
    Hi all... Im a new member on Yo, but I have been lurking in the corner for a long time!

    I have followed this thread with interest. Local newspapers have run stories about the progress of the possible reopening of the Bootle Branch line.

    LINK.. I hope it is of interest:-

    http://www.bootletimes.co.uk/news/bo...7007-25039138/
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    Not very likely with this government. I doubt the kirkby line would be diverted via the north Mersey branch, or a station at Mount Pleasant too ,(on a very busy & cramped site). Thing's you have missed out which may happen one day are electrification extensions to Preston, Wigan, Heswall, & possibly Warrington. Though i doubt anything is likely to happen for a very long time..
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    The latest news from Merseytravel, is a very good example as to why the Canada dock line is unlikely to ever reopen
    Budget cuts hit Merseyside hard14 December 2010 Merseytravel’s block funding grant from the Department for Transport has been slashed by two thirds, with the Chairman of the transport authority Councillor Mark Dowd warning of severe repercussions on future transport projects.

    Councillor Dowd said:”Never in our most pessimistic forecasts did we anticipate such a crippling and savage cut.

    “Having already dealt with a 25% cut of our 17million allocation during this financial year, we had made realistic budget predictions of receiving just over 13million next year. We now know we are going to get only 5.74million and this is going to have a severe impact on our future plans.

    “Currently we are reviewing all projects for next year, but my immediate reaction is that it will be difficult enough to maintain and operate what we have let alone think about improvements.

    “During my 28 years as a councillor I have never experienced such a financial savagery, these cuts are vicious”.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oritelad View Post
    haha I know shame though maybe someday hundreds of years from now it could look like that.

    maybe this map is more realistic http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...seyrailmap.jpg
    Hi

    Problem with this and the earlier map you posted is that for existing lines it just assumes former stations are reopened which is highly unlikely.

    Stations planned on the Bootle Branch are as follows (taken from an official source)

    Edge Lane - North of Edge Lane ie not old site which was south side
    Tue Brook - South of West Derby Road ie not old site which was north side
    Utting Avenue - serving Liverpool Stadia
    Bootle Oriel Road - reinstate platform face
    Bootle New Strand - reinstate platform face

    And thats it...

    Regards

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