Next door to the "Big House"?

[George]

I know I'm right Samp.

In post #28click the link save the photo and zoomin on that far right area of the pub.

You can just barely make out the square iron work going up the side of the wall.

[dazza]

Gore's 1911 - Lime Street, Liverpool.

79 Lime Street - "P. Lloyd Rees - warehousemen"

81 & 83 Lime Street - "Cain's Lime Street Hotel" [The Vines].

[George]

D a m n,thought I had it sussed for a minute there....Google Satallite won't zoom in very close to look at the layout of the pub fro man arial perspective,this might have shown the yard area at the back of the pub and adjoining premises?

So much for Google,pffft!

[George]

Wooh,an old map reveals that there was just the vines as one big public house or there was another public house directly at the side of the vines.

And I wus right them doors were an allyway/throughfair to Bolton Street at the back of the vines so basically whats through them doors was the vines back entrance and the adjoining pub,this would then make sense that the wall was a dividing line between both pubs?

[Quentin_Sharples]

I know I'm right Samp.

In post #28click the link save the photo and zoomin on that far right area of the pub.

You can just barely make out the square iron work going up the side of the wall.

That's 75, George.
The doorway under discussion is 79.

Here's what we know.
75, 77 and 79 was the Pavilion pub in 1890.
It had closed down by 1900, when it was occupied thus:
75 had one occupant.
75A had three occupants.
77 to 87 was "Vines Alfred Beard & Son, wine and spirit merchants. John G Henderson, proprietor."

The numbering of Lime Street is the same today, and The Vines is 81 to 87 (occupying the same 'footprint' it had in 1890).
The current Vines was built in 1907.
It looks like the Vines bought out the Pavilion pub sometime in the 1890s.

Even today we are still looking at the front of the Pavilion, but the ground floor has been split up.

[scouse smurf]

D a m n,thought I had it sussed for a minute there....Google Satallite won't zoom in very close to look at the layout of the pub fro man arial perspective,this might have shown the yard area at the back of the pub and adjoining premises?

So much for Google,pffft!

Try the aerial view on bing maps, doesn't get much closer but its alot clearer

http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&where1...gdom&encType=1

[Kev]

Wooh,an old map reveals that there was just the vines as one big public house or there was another public house directly at the side of the vines.

Source of the map please George http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/announcement.php?f=21. If its from leverpoole, please remove

[Quentin_Sharples]

Source of the map please George http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/announcement.php?f=21. If its from leverpoole, please remove

Kev.
www.leverpoole has his watermark all over his maps, so we can be sure it's not from his site.
The map is the 25" OS map of 1890 that I've referred to, and is probably from the Record Office.

For some reason I can't add attachments.
If I click on 'Add File from Computer' nothing happens.

The map shows both pubs that I've referred to.

[Kev]

Cheers quent,

I have to double-check to respect the wishes of site owners.

Kev

[George]

Source of the map please George

Yo liverpool past threads. pmsl

[Kev]

Yo liverpool past threads. pmsl

pmsl? Cheers for that, until further notice your posts now have to be moderated by me first before they appear.

[Quentin_Sharples]

1890 1/500 OS map.
1969 50" OS map.

Both from Liverpool Record Office.

[dazza]

[George]

Ok delete my account then.

By now

[Quentin_Sharples]

Thanks, Dazza.
We're now waiting for somebody to report what the Big House knows about it.