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    This is an interesting video from the Daily Mail web site, with thanks.

    http://link.brightcove.com/services/...id=71436724001

    I would not want to cross the North Atlantic in winter on that one. I would certainly question her stability. I f you had a 70 knot gale on the beam with seas to match she would be on her beam ends and spilling your Rum and cokes.

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    More like a floating city Captain.

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    The seagoing equivalent of high-rise flats and appeals not at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin View Post
    The seagoing equivalent of high-rise flats and appeals not at all.
    Imagine it when that baby hits a port...

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    If she had a boiler room explosion and flames and smoke pouring through the a/c vents in all the rooms she would be a death trap. No chance of getting all those 4/5000 people off.

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    Papenburg is quite a way inland. How they got that to the sea from there must have been a big task. I would never have thought the river to the sea was deep enough never mind wide enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    Papenburg is quite a way inland. How they got that to the sea from there must have been a big task. I would never have thought the river to the sea was deep enough never mind wide enough.
    A lot of large liners have quite a shallow draught - so that many more ports are accessible to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin View Post
    A lot of large liners have quite a shallow draught - so that many more ports are accessible to them.
    The draught is approx 25-26 foot for many of them. But that ship yard is the equivalent of building a ship further inland than Warrington.

    Many of these larger liners could negotiate the south end docks if the locks were wide enough. The Brunswick Dock can clearly accept a 25 foot draught. If the Eastham locks were wide enough liner with a 25 foot draught could get to Manchester-just as the canal is 26 foot minimum.

    Most ships these days are wider and a shallower draught than say 70-80 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin View Post
    A lot of large liners have quite a shallow draught - so that many more ports are accessible to them.
    Would that mean they could capsize,in heavy sea's,etc, more easily?

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    Quote Originally Posted by captain kong View Post
    This is an interesting video from the Daily Mail web site, with thanks.

    http://link.brightcove.com/services/...id=71436724001

    I would not want to cross the North Atlantic in winter on that one. I would certainly question her stability. I f you had a 70 knot gale on the beam with seas to match she would be on her beam ends and spilling your Rum and cokes.

    Celebrity Eclipse
    So the boats on a cruise can be dodgy. Not sounding to good that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsteve55 View Post
    Would that mean they could capsize,in heavy sea's,etc, more easily?
    Stabilisers, a lower centre of gravity with all heavy machinery wells spaced on the keel using electric motors to power the propellers and lighter superstructure construction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    Stabilisers, a lower centre of gravity with all heavy machinery wells spaced on the keel using electric motors to power the propellers and lighter superstructure construction.
    Nice one WW.

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    This is from the Daily Mail Online site
    It included phots of the ship passing through the locks.Read more:



    Mind the gap: Ocean liner squeezes through lock with just two feet on either side of her
    By Mail Foreign Service

    Last updated at 7:28 PM on 11th March 2010
    Measuring 1,040 feet in length and weighing 122,000 tonnes, the Celebrity Eclipse was always going to make an impact with her mammoth size.
    So the ship was forced to make an undignified squeeze through the lock as she left the Meyer Werft shipyard in Papenberg, Germany, on her maiden voyage today.
    What’s more the depth of the river and the draft of the ship allowed for mere inches – or even less – beneath her.
    With such a narrow margin for error the makers of the ship and the shipyard owners had to carefully monitor the position of the moon and tidal conditions to identify the precise time when the depth of the river would be sufficient for the ship to pass through.
    At one point it was such a narrow fit the 121-foot wide ocean liner had as few as two feet on either side of her as she eased through, during a rite of passage known as the conveyance.
    The ship is the third of five from Celebrity Cruises’ $3.7billion Solstice Class fleet and features a ten restaurants and even a glass blowing studio.

    The company’s fleet sail in Alaska, California, Canada/ New England, the Pacific Coast, Panama Canal, South America and the Caribbean.



    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...#ixzz0iKnqLJr6

    here are the photos

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...#ixzz0iKn9LUsX

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    Quote Originally Posted by captain kong View Post
    What's more the depth of the river and the draft of the ship allowed for mere inches, or even less, beneath her. With such a narrow margin for error the makers of the ship and the shipyard owners had to carefully monitor the position of the moon and tidal conditions to identify the precise time when the depth of the river would be sufficient for the ship to pass through.
    At one point it was such a narrow fit the 121-foot wide ocean liner had as few as two feet on either side of her as she eased through, during a rite of passage known as the conveyance.
    It appears the ship is too big for that type of shipyard. It would have easily been built at Lairds. How can high cost Germany and Finland make these large ship and the UK cannot?

    It appears they build the ship in a dry docks and then fill the dock. Lairds do have that facility if it can fit in one of the dry docks there. This yard had everything under cover as well, so no hold-up when rain. Lairds build on a slanted slipway and much in the open, in the rather fashioned way.

    I wonder if any fitments were excluded from the vessel until in deep water to reduce draught.
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    The reason why we dont build ships anymore is because the Government does not want ship building or any kind of Industry because of the promises the Government made on global warming and reducing the country`s carbon footprint. That is why Brown did not back the demands to keep Corus steel works open in the north east. 1600 men sacked and the lives of 10,000 others affected, so now we have to import steel from India. Steel works have a lot of heat and carbon, that increased Britains carbon foot print dramatically. So now Brown`s standing in the looney green brigade has now increased.
    Phony Bliar refused any backing for Harland and Wolf when they tendered for the building of `Queen Mary 2`, that threw four thousand men out of work, that is not counting all the suppliers for new ships, such as carpets, bed linen and cutlery, and all the products that go into completing a ship, thousands more lost their jobs. H & W were the favourites for the contracts, they wanted financial help just to get started on the $800,000,000 contract. Tony refused. All lost their jobs, never to return.
    France, financially poured money into St Nazaire that was going bancrupt, they built it in 17 months, and since then they have never stopped building ships. It has created many thousands of jobs for the French and the money just pours in for that French government investment.
    Britain has been dragged down into the cess pits by the stupidity of this govenment. So no ship building. All those skills are being lost, no apprentices being trained to build ships and all the many other Engineerings jobs we once did for the world,
    Browns obsession with global warming is the craziest thing ever, No one else bothers, so when people`s sons and daughters are increasingly finding it difficult to find employment, apart from supermarket jobs, Real Jobs, they can blame their parents stupidity for their dogmatic following of New Labour, "I vote Labour because me Dad voted Labour and his Dad before him", attitude, the world has changed, They dont give a dam* about the workers, We must watch our Carbon Foot Print Targets, that is more important than peoples jobs.
    We built railways and locomotives and carriages for the world. I know because we carried them as cargo on our ships. Now no cargo no ships. We now have to import all our trains, carriages and railway lines from Italy and the east.
    All our Industry has gone to Europe, because of this governments committal to Global Warming Targets that the rest of the world ignores.
    That is why we build nothing today, that is why we have millions of people living on the Benefit system, the country is bancrupt,
    eg. A man earns 500 a week. he pays the State 120 a week in taxes. State up 120
    eg. A man loses his job, Man recieves, 200 in benefit, State loses 200 plus the loss of his tax =
    State loss of 320 every week.
    What kind of a system is that. That is why we are going Bancrupt with no jobs,
    AND THAT IS WHY WE DO NOT BUILD SHIPS ANYMORE.

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