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    It was announced today that enviromentalists are to lodge an objection to John Lennon Airport's 600 million expansion plans.

    The airport wants to expand to create jobs prosperity and security for all Merseysiders but these people are hell bent on stopping the plans.

    These people cannot suceed because the future prosperity of the city depends on these plans and would turn Liverpool into an international city again.

    In fact expansion at JLA is greener than expansion at Manchester which is already at capacity point and is threatening the Cheshire countryside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban View Post
    It was announced today that enviromentalists are to lodge an objection to John Lennon Airport's 600 million expansion plans.

    The airport wants to expand to create jobs prosperity and security for all Merseysiders but these people are hell bent on stopping the plans.

    These people cannot suceed because the future prosperity of the city depends on these plans and would turn Liverpool into an international city again.

    In fact expansion at JLA is greener than expansion at Manchester which is already at capacity point and is threatening the Cheshire countryside.


    The greenies may have a point. The current runway has a flight path right over Hale village - how clever indeed! It could have gone to the right on a causway at both ends so it flys over no one except the river at both ends of the runway. Too easy to think of isn't it. I can see why greenies get pissed off with peope who can only see pound notes.
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    I don't accept that at all.

    Why is it always Liverpool?

    The heritage lobby, enviromentalists and others who think Liverpool should be ossified as a museum piece should go and sling their hook and toy with another place.

    Liverpool has made reaal progress over the last 10 years but if anything substantial is to be achieved we need a modern 21st Century Airport, a Gatwick to the Manchester Heathrow.

    I repeat it is greener to develop Liverpool than Manchester.

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    I live within spitting distance of airport development land and am all for the development, there are lots of people along the road who are objecting but most of the land is just an overgrown waste of space. The once excelent bowling greens and tennis courts have been destroyed years ago and the social club on the old Dunlops playing feild looks ready to colapse anyway, so why not bring improvement and job prospects to an area that for to long has been neglected.
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    i agree with spenny.

    If the airport develops it will produce a rebirth of Speke. It will create hundreds of jobs and the whole area will be regenerated with hotels, shops, landscaping etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban View Post
    I don't accept that at all.

    Why is it always Liverpool?

    The heritage lobby, enviromentalists and others who think Liverpool should be ossified as a museum piece should go and sling their hook and toy with another place.

    Liverpool has made reaal progress over the last 10 years but if anything substantial is to be achieved we need a modern 21st Century Airport, a Gatwick to the Manchester Heathrow.

    I repeat it is greener to develop Liverpool than Manchester.
    You have missed the point entirely. When it was built the current runway had major opposition, especially from Hale, as it flys right over the village . LOOK AT THE PICTURE. the runway could have gone a few hundred yards to the right with one end on a causeway into the river. It could even be angled to get air traffic from flying over the chemical plants in Widnes/Runcorn. No, no, the *******s wanted to save money and couldn't give a toss about a plane flopping on a chemical plant. One flopped on a factory in 1965 in Halewood. "Well one end flys over the river they said". How pathetic! The runways should be over to the right partially on a causway, then it goes over the river on both ends and not over chemical works or a village. One consultancy advised to put the runway on the river, for future expansion, as at low tide even row boats can't pass at this point.

    Keep the planes away from people as much as possible. It was possible at Liverpool but a few bob they wanted to save. If they can't do it properly then they should not do it at all.

    Long live the Greenies. If they were around in the 1960s then all this crap would not have been built to begin with.
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    the area to the right of the runway is classed as a conservation area, there where plans a few years ago to realign the runway and this was the reason it never happened
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    No thats completely WRONG!!

    Wherever an airport is situated you will get local opposition, understandable in a sense because of the noise.

    However that is NOT a good enough reason to jeopordise a massive regeneration scheme which will create hundreds of jobs.

    The REAL reason the green lobby opposes this plan is because in their elitist vegetarian middle class way they are jumping on the badwagon against air travel per se.

    They are the same people who are against cheap flights and want to slap a tax on flights.

    The fact that they have flew for years doesn't matter but when the working classes start getting cheap flights well they couldn't have that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban View Post
    No thats completely WRONG!!

    Wherever an airport is situated you will get local opposition, understandable in a sense because of the noise.

    However that is NOT a good enough reason to jeopordise a massive regeneration scheme which will create hundreds of jobs.

    The REAL reason the green lobby opposes this plan is because in their elitist vegetarian middle class way they are jumping on the badwagon against air travel per se.

    They are the same people who are against cheap flights and want to slap a tax on flights.

    The fact that they have flew for years doesn't matter but when the working classes start getting cheap flights well they couldn't have that!
    You made that up.
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    Look I can see your point about where the runway is situated.

    It is silly but where it is is now a fact and we need to live with it.

    I just think that the development of an international airport in Liverpool would create loads of jobs and boost the economy and therefore make Liverpool a better place.

    I believe that the development at Manchester is less green than Liverpool and would be safer as it would divert some of the traffic.

    Speke would be regenerated and local kids would have prospects.

    I believe the green lobby would oppose this plan whatever because they have become opposed to air travel.

    But I still think your views are valid and need to be taken into consideration if this scheme goes ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban View Post
    Look I can see your point about where the runway is situated.

    It is silly but where it is is now a fact and we need to live with it.
    We don't have to live with it.

    I just think that the development of an international airport in Liverpool would create loads of jobs and boost the economy and therefore make Liverpool a better place.
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    But I still think your views are valid and need to be taken into consideration if this scheme goes ahead.
    The cargo terminal is to go between the river and the existing runway. A no, no for me. Move the runway and sort the rest out on the land side Once the cargo terminal is built the runway will not change. Change the runways first. The extsing runway can be a taxiway. The Greenies are right. It is not as if there is no solution - there is a solution. It is solvable. Move the runway and everyone wins.
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    and moving the runway would mean having to rebuild the new control tower that has been up less than two years
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    Quote Originally Posted by spenny389 View Post
    and moving the runway would mean having to rebuild the new control tower that has been up less than two years
    Yep. So for 100 years ahead we have an apalling situation because some dork put a control tower in the wrong place (just alump of concrete). Move that as well. Do it properly!!
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    have a look here for veiw from inside tower
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/conte...trol_360.shtml
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