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    Hi all

    This may have been discussed before, and if so I apologize. But I was wondering what might be the origin of the rather odd but colorful name Old Swan. Does anybody know?

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    I live in Old Swan and haven't a clue..............Martin will know.....so I'll await with interest.

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    Hi Chris, this has, been discussed somewhere on here before,and I vaguely remember the name "Old Swan" was derived from one,of several inn's, in the area, which may have had similar names,but I'm not sure if this was definitive?

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    Home of MU Ron Atkinson and WAS named after the public house

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    Quote Originally Posted by burkhilly View Post
    I live in Old Swan and haven't a clue..............Martin will know.....so I'll await with interest.

    Mart features heavily on the first page of google relating to Old Swan.

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    What a coincidence, I just hung up the phone with my mother who is from Old Swan and I told her that some lovely people on here had found pics of EH Jones, Paints Ltd. where my father worked all his life. I was asking on here about the cinema on their street too, my mother said it was the Regent but she met my father in the Curzon round the corner!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    Mart features heavily on the first page of google relating to Old Swan.

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...meta=&aq=f&oq=


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    Any of you got a pic of St. Oswald's? I was baptised there.

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    Hi Roni,
    had a quick look,and found these,including a couple of St. Oswald st. itself!

    photo's courtesy of L.R.O. and St. Oswalds?

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    Quite right about the inns.

    There were three of them, the 'Lower', 'Middle' and 'Upper Swan'. The 'Middle Swan' was the oldest and was located where the current Red House pub is. Old Swan was one of the last coaching stops before the city on the Liverpool-Prescot Turnpike.

    Incidentally on my copy of an early 1800 tithe map the area is called 'Old Swans' - the plural referring to all the inns.

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    Thanks Steve. All I remember is it had a wishing well in the garden of the church but have not been that church since I was a kid. Very pretty, again, thank you.
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    I've arrived

    I'm in the process of putting together a website on Old Swan, pics etc, so will let you know when it's ready.
    Already had considerable help from Ged, Spike, Philip G, Sirob, Eric James to name a few.
    Here's a little bit from the site, from a book by Colin Gould.
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    The neighbourhood of Old Swan derives it?s name from the first pub situated in the area.
    It was once common practice for inns to take as their sign the crest of the local aristocratic family, in this case the Waltons, whose coat of arms was three white swans on a blue shield.
    So, inevitably the first pub was called the three swans.
    Shortly afterwards came two more Swan Inns, so the locals referred to them as the Old Swan, the Middle Swan and the Lower Swan. More recently the Old Swan Vaults and the Old Swan Hotel have been called the Red House and the White House.
    The Original coaching inn stood where the Red House is today.
    Todays Red House was built in 1892.
    The block of shops once known as Hoult?s Corner, stood in the middle of St. Oswald?s street, they were built on arches above Acresfield Quarry owned by Richard and Paul Barker.

    Hoult's Corner Shops were built in the 1840?s, on arches above Acresfield Quarry.
    The Quarry was dug out by Huyton Builders Richard and Paul Barker, two of the first people to see the potential of Old Swan.
    They erected Knotty Ash Church was built in 1835, West Derby Parish Church and Old Swan Police Station in 1850 and the Old Swan water tower, which once stood near to the tram shed in Green Lane.
    The Quarry was left as a large cellar beneath the shops and Joseph Jones?s brewery of Knotty Ash used them for a number of years.
    This was situated alongside the Lord Nelson pub on Prescot road.

    Hoult's Corner shops were demolished in 1939 and some of the shops transferred to the new shops below the newly built flats St. Oswald?s House.
    These flats have since been demolished and a new Tesco's supermarket stands in their place.

    St. Oswald?s Church was opened in 1842, built from a design by Welby Pugin. The land it was built on was a gift from Mr Edward Chaloner of Oak Hill House.
    The church was partly rebuilt between 1951 and 1957 from a design by Adrian Gilbert Scott.
    Cannon Maddocks was the first parish priest and is remembered by a local street named after him.
    During the building of St. Oswald?s Primary School in the 1970?s they found the remains of over 3,500 bodies, some buried 16 deep in places. The bodies were exhumed , cremated and reinterred at Anfield Cemetery.
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    As I say, hopefully get this going in a couple of weeks.
    Trouble is, everytime I get close, I get more pics and info ! !
    Martin

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    So basically, the name derives from an erection in the main area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fortinian View Post
    Quite right about the inns.

    There were three of them, the 'Lower', 'Middle' and 'Upper Swan'. The 'Middle Swan' was the oldest and was located where the current Red House pub is. Old Swan was one of the last coaching stops before the city on the Liverpool-Prescot Turnpike.

    Incidentally on my copy of an early 1800 tithe map the area is called 'Old Swans' - the plural referring to all the inns.
    Very interesting! Thanks, fortinian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronijayne View Post
    Thanks Steve. All I remember is it had a wishing well in the garden of the church but have not been that church since I was a kid. Very pretty, again, thank you.
    Hi Roni,
    had a look round St. Oswalds today,before shopping at Tesco's,and couldnt see any sign of a wishing well, so whereabout was it?(Assuming I was looking in the right place)
    Steve.

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