The new Amsterdam at Liverpool?
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Deprived of its unique dockland waters Liverpool
becomes a Venice without canals, just another city, no
longer of special interest to anyone, least of all the
tourist. Would we visit a modernised Venice of filled in
canals to view its modern museum describing
how it once was?
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It does seem that every new development has to be on the waterfront or in the city centre. Once past Lime St. you do see a very different picture. Surely some of these projects such as the arena could have been located outside the centre/waterfront to help regenerate other areas of our city.
Surely the tourists see how bad things are when they come here imaging it's like what the Beatles use to sing about though too. Maybe they make sure they get the tourists who say the right things.
Totally agree.The city must not prostitute itself.
I can't help but feeling hate for Liverpool sometimes though, not just because of this though, the social problems here are sickening. Even the working class are crap people
Gididi Gididi Goo.
The arena requires excellent transport links, which Kings Dock does not give. The Wapping Tunnel is near enough but right into the complex. Having it at the bottom of Parliament St is on the edge of the centre & good for transport links. This exhibition hall is best around the Loop where EFC anti-Kirkbyists want a stadium. If Byrom St Stn is opened up it is well served and near the tunnel for the M53.
The focus must be on the centre as all radiate out from that. Hopefully the centre will stretch from Parliament St to Stanley Dock , to an apex at the Met Cathedral.
The new Amsterdam at Liverpool?
Save Liverpool Docks and Waterways - Click
Deprived of its unique dockland waters Liverpool
becomes a Venice without canals, just another city, no
longer of special interest to anyone, least of all the
tourist. Would we visit a modernised Venice of filled in
canals to view its modern museum describing
how it once was?
Giving Liverpool a full Metro - CLICK
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Back to xmas 1982,Victoria bus station in London." eh mate, where's the Liverpool coach?" "There all going to f***** Liverpool",I was told!! I counted 13 coaches! Not an abutting town I think, and worse was to come! As for fast-buck merchants, realistically,would you expect them to be nice,and look after everyone? Love them ,or hate them, they made Liverpool,and as soon as they thought it was finished,they left quick enough! and since, we've paid the price,until the recent revival! It's a double -edged sword!
Last edited by Spike; 03-27-2009 at 12:35 AM.
BE NICE......................OR ELSE
You missed it. Liverpool's population is calculated with in the city limits. Halewood, Knowsley, Kirkby, Bottle, All the Wirral do not count. These places took a a massive overspill from Liverpool in the 1960s. To most of them the centre is Liverpool centre.
Fast buck merchants ruined the city - well the city did for allowing them to get their way. The city can lay a tight framework in which they can operate and not destroy the city.
You confuse fast buck merchants and investors. Fast buck merchants take the money and run and care nothing after.
Last edited by Waterways; 03-27-2009 at 10:08 AM.
The new Amsterdam at Liverpool?
Save Liverpool Docks and Waterways - Click
Deprived of its unique dockland waters Liverpool
becomes a Venice without canals, just another city, no
longer of special interest to anyone, least of all the
tourist. Would we visit a modernised Venice of filled in
canals to view its modern museum describing
how it once was?
Giving Liverpool a full Metro - CLICK
Rapid-transit rail: Everton, Liverpool & Arena - CLICK
Save Royal Iris - Sign Petition
We need to take a lesson from the French who are excellent at planning. The French would have firm idea of what to do with the water spaces. A part of the in-filled Kings Dock (the French would not in-fill) was to be apartments, and approval given. The developer pulls out so they consider another IKEA like shed. From residential to commercial usage. Anything that someone proposes gets the nod. No idea at all.
Last edited by Waterways; 03-27-2009 at 01:27 PM.
The new Amsterdam at Liverpool?
Save Liverpool Docks and Waterways - Click
Deprived of its unique dockland waters Liverpool
becomes a Venice without canals, just another city, no
longer of special interest to anyone, least of all the
tourist. Would we visit a modernised Venice of filled in
canals to view its modern museum describing
how it once was?
Giving Liverpool a full Metro - CLICK
Rapid-transit rail: Everton, Liverpool & Arena - CLICK
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At the end of the day Grosvenor was outside private investment money. The application was put in for what was built. Had it been refused, we would still have had the moat house, paradise st multi storey car park and a bit of grass with two park benches on it and a tarmac path running diagonally through it going under the name Chavasse park but was really a blitzed bomb site grassed over. Another investor would have walked away to elsewhere, shaking their heads, like the proposed Brunswick Tower scheme that was kb'd. If anyone thinks what's there now is any worse than before and yet costed no public money, then heaven help us. Georgian buildings lying rotting in Hanover street and School Lane have been brought back into use.
Bringing London Road and Lime street and any premises vacated for L1 is a totally seperate matter and indeed should be and I think will be addressed. M&S is being done out right now and expanded at the rear replacing small outlets fronting Williamson Square. The Woolworth/Top Shop building is now a through arcade but not yet finished. St John's precinct is getting a face lift. The Met Quarter and the new city centre pubs/restaurants are only relatively recent, the City centre is thriving like never before.
Ha ha, I thought you'd put that. Don't worry it was a wind up for John Zappa who doesn't let anyone forget the Beatles left. I also left the city when work took me elsewhere AND it is still all our city.
The Beatles could not record in Liverpool as there were no facilities. Many people wanting to expanding their professions have to leave their home towns and cities. Nothing new in that.
If you are an ambitious journo you have to go to to where the nationals are based - London.
Last edited by Waterways; 03-27-2009 at 01:47 PM.
The new Amsterdam at Liverpool?
Save Liverpool Docks and Waterways - Click
Deprived of its unique dockland waters Liverpool
becomes a Venice without canals, just another city, no
longer of special interest to anyone, least of all the
tourist. Would we visit a modernised Venice of filled in
canals to view its modern museum describing
how it once was?
Giving Liverpool a full Metro - CLICK
Rapid-transit rail: Everton, Liverpool & Arena - CLICK
Save Royal Iris - Sign Petition
Ged, that is nonsense. No one would propose building on Sefton Park, because they know their envelope would not be opened by the planners. The city did not have a cast-iron framework in place for developers to be guided by - they still do not have, otherwise Peel would not propose Liverpool Waters on a World Heritage Site.
The framework dictates much of a developers outcome - the tighter the constraints the more the city gets what it wants. If it was stated the park is permanent then Westminster would not have proposed that scheme obliterating the park - he would have proposed another keeping the park. Maybe a scheme running around the park into the Baltic triangle.
Many make out the city had no option but to accept that shopping mall they way Westminster proposed. It would have been built, however different to what we ended up with.
Here is what naked lilac said when revising from the USA:
I just wish they still had Chevis Park and the green area in the City to enjoy still.. It used to be lovely just to sit on the grass .
The element of open-air, and views of the Mersey are being blocked, was sad to me..
http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/sho...72&postcount=7
The new Amsterdam at Liverpool?
Save Liverpool Docks and Waterways - Click
Deprived of its unique dockland waters Liverpool
becomes a Venice without canals, just another city, no
longer of special interest to anyone, least of all the
tourist. Would we visit a modernised Venice of filled in
canals to view its modern museum describing
how it once was?
Giving Liverpool a full Metro - CLICK
Rapid-transit rail: Everton, Liverpool & Arena - CLICK
Save Royal Iris - Sign Petition
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