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    Liverpool Central Masterplan

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    Phase 5 - Provision of additional platform Capacity

    The long term solution may require the provision of additional platforms. This type of solution is going to require significant investment in order to create not only the additional platform capacity but also the additional rail tunnels track, electrification and signalling alterations necessary.

    There are two options that have been considered for this phase which are:-

    * Provision of an additional platform at Central Station.
    * Relocation of the station.


    The potential to provide a further platform at Central station may be possible. During the construction of the loop and link network an extra tunnel entrance was created at the Moorfields end of the platform. This has the potential to be excavated into a full tunnel which would provide a line that would run directly below the existing concourse through to the rear of the station. Considerable detailed study would be required to determine how cost effective this solution would be and how disruptive it would be to the operation of the existing station.

    The option of relocation of the station is also possible. The railway between Central and Moorfields runs directly down the centre of Church Street. There would be an opportunity to excavate down to the railway tunnel and create 2 new wide platforms that would be sized for future passenger growth. The construction methodology would be similar to the construction of Conway Park Station. Whilst this option appears to more realistic there would be considerable issues regarding gaining approvals to such a large excavation in the heart of the city centre and also the need to secure land on which to construct the station entrance and ticket office. A new station at the corner of Church Street and Ranelagh Street could also be linked to the existing Wirral line platform.

    These long term solutions are likely to be part of an overall network capacity assessment that will be required looking not only at station infrastructure but overall network capacity in terms of use of new rolling stock, train length/vehicle capacity, line speed, train frequency and overall train timetable.

    By progressing the Masterplan in the proposed phases it is anticipated that even if a decision is made to construct an additional platform then the works carried out to the Wirral Line, Concourse and Northern Line platforms will complement this proposal and not detract from the previous phases and the significant investment made.
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    Hi Waterways

    Are these your own thoughts or are you quoting from official documentation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewturner View Post
    Hi Waterways

    Are these your own thoughts or are you quoting from official documentation?

    Regards

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    quoting. but it is their thoughts not proposals
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    There was originally a proposal to build a an underground station on the Northern Line at Paradise St/Whitechapel way. This was to serve Liverpool One. It was abandoned as they said trams would serve Liverpool One. So rapid transit Merseyrail suffers because of a ridiculous outdated tram scheme.

    A new station will take the pressure off overcrowded Central station.

    This is cheaper and offers more than moving Central station a few hundred yards down Church St.
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    ''During the construction of the loop and link network an extra tunnel entrance was created at the Moorfields end of the platform.'' I have never seen this extra tunnel entrance, where is it ? Do they mean the space to the left (running in from Moorfields), where the signal box once stood ? ''There was originally a proposal to build a an underground station on the Northern Line at Paradise St/Whitechapel way. This was to serve Liverpool One. It was abandoned as they said trams would serve Liverpool One.'' Moorfields is better for Liverpool one than Central, & a lot of passengers for it now alight there, myself included. What is needed is better signage to get more passengers to use Moorfields & not Central. Why cause more disruption & demolition on an unneeded station ? A cost/benefit analysis would show this. A better option would be a subway link to Moofields, But i doubt even that would ever get approval now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merseywail View Post
    ''During the construction of the loop and link network an extra tunnel entrance was created at the Moorfields end of the platform.'' I have never seen this extra tunnel entrance, where is it ? Do they mean the space to the left (running in from Moorfields), where the signal box once stood ?
    It is a mystery to me as well.

    ''There was originally a proposal to build a an underground station on the Northern Line at Paradise St/Whitechapel way. This was to serve Liverpool One. It was abandoned as they said trams would serve Liverpool One.'' Moorfields is better for Liverpool one than Central, & a lot of passengers for it now alight there, myself included. What is needed is better signage to get more passengers to use Moorfields & not Central. Why cause more disruption & demolition on an unneeded station ? A cost/benefit analysis would show this. A better option would be a subway link to Moofields, But i doubt even that would ever get approval now.
    Liverpool One wanted, and were promised, direct rail transport to the complex. Moorefieds and Central are just too far. A station between them with long connecting tunnels from platform to Paradise St would alleviate both stations.

    The original 1886 tunnel from James St to Central is still used for shunting. It is proposed to use this tunnel to have direct Wirral Lines (Wrexham included) to John Lennon Airport. This tunnel is nearer to Liverpool One and maybe this could cope, but passenger changes would be needed from the Liverpool side, direct from Wirral.

    A city centre/docks monorail is by far the best bet with direct connections to Merseyrail. It can then run right into Liverpool One and just about anywhere. What is the cost of trams/new station? Put that towards a monorail and many birds are killed with one stone.
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    ''A city centre/docks monorail is by far the best bet with direct connections to Merseyrail. It can then run right into Liverpool One and just about anywhere. What is the cost of trams/new station? Put that towards a monorail and many birds are killed with one stone'' One for the far future i think .The best we can hope for now is an enlarged Central sta, and subways with travelator's from Central & Moorfields, to Liverpool one. Public transport allways gets a raw deal in times like these. Happend to Merseyrail in the 70's & you can guarantee it will happen again
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    Quote Originally Posted by merseywail View Post
    ''A city centre/docks monorail is by far the best bet with direct connections to Merseyrail. It can then run right into Liverpool One and just about anywhere. What is the cost of trams/new station? Put that towards a monorail and many birds are killed with one stone'' One for the far future i think .The best we can hope for now is an enlarged Central sta, and subways with travelator's from Central & Moorfields, to Liverpool one. Public transport allways gets a raw deal in times like these. Happend to Merseyrail in the 70's & you can guarantee it will happen again
    They are determined to ignore the downtown and inner city rail infrastructure to enhance the outers of Merseyrail - to get those ridiculous trams in. Downtown is where focus should be, not the outer regions of Merseyrail. The only outer part to be extended is a link to John Lennon airport around the back of the Jaguar factory beside the Everton FC training ground - a branch off the Manchester line after Halewood station.
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    Merseytravel can try to ignore the downtown as much as they like, but the government holds the purse strings. There's no votes in public transport, so they won't see a penny for any new rail projects, or for there beloved trams! Now as for new roads ? Well there's lots of votes there, am sure they can find some cash for them.
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    What's wrong with James Street for Liverpool one? Up James Street, through Derby Square, behind the Law Courts and you're there.

    Are people getting that lazy these days?

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    Aye, Wirral line dosent need to be linked to a new station, James street is fine, though they could do with adding more signage to get people to use it more for that purpose.

    While using the link tunnel for services would be nice, it isnt practical with the amount of trains already running in and out of central upper level (and especially with central being overcrowded already, more services there wouldnt help)

    A new station between moorfields and central would be ideal, especially if it was by paradise street (though might be too close to the paradise street junction then...). Another platform at central might open up the option of using the wapping or victoria tunnels, as the new platform would be on the correct side to simply continue on and east towards the old tunnels.

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    I don't think that putting a station in between Central & Moorfields is feasible. They are only 2 mins apart as it is.
    Perhaps enlarging Central would be the best option here - actually, sod it - the whole thing needs a rebuild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouseinmanc View Post
    I don't think that putting a station in between Central & Moorfields is feasible. They are only 2 mins apart as it is.
    In London stations are very close in the City. It is feasible as it was previously proposed, but silly trams meant it was cancelled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    In London stations are very close in the City. It is feasible as it was previously proposed, but silly trams meant it was cancelled.
    But central London is huge & actually warrants so many stations & them being close together. Liverpool city centre is tiny in comparison, so I really don't see the need myself.
    Although I would like to see a new station round the St James area, serving Upper Parliment St / Park Road & perhaps another in between Moorfields & Sandhills, serving Vauxhall & the waterloo Dock complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouseinmanc View Post
    But central London is huge & actually warrants so many stations & them being close together. Liverpool city centre is tiny in comparison, so I really don't see the need myself.

    Aye, what's wrong with Shanks's pony? An able person can walk round central Liverpool in a relatively short time.

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